To the anti-BTC crowd: Yes, the current price of crypto is based on speculation, not in their current utility. But there also was a dotcom bubble 20 years ago. Does that mean that the World Wide Web is useless? Cryptocurrencies will be highly useful as stores of value and maybe as currency. We're just not there yet. This is just the Gartner hype cycle, with the addition that for the first time we have a global market…
There is absolutely no evidence backing this. The utility of the WWW was eminently visible to experts even before it existed. I have yet to meet an expert in equivalent fields who complains that the core issues in finance can be solved by cryptocurrencies. In fact I don't really see any issues that can be solved by crypto. Trust issues? Crypto users are as likely if not more to be scammed and the technology itself do…
New study detects lottery-like behavior in cryptocurrency markets
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Re: New study detects lottery-like behavior in cryptocurrency markets
#92To the anti-BTC crowd: Yes, the current price of crypto is based on speculation, not in their current utility. But there also was a dotcom bubble 20 years ago. Does that mean that the World Wide Web is useless? Cryptocurrencies will be highly useful as stores of value and maybe as currency. We're just not there yet. This is just the Gartner hype cycle, with the addition that for the first time we have a global market…
No. But the web's sole claim to usefulness wasn't as a "store of value". Just as well it was useful for other things, because it turned out that speculator driven bubbles aren't superior places to store value...
Re: New study detects lottery-like behavior in cryptocurrency markets
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
> In my experience the primary goal for most crypto holders is to be a part of a new elite. This part doesn’t sound very different from investing in startups, where everyone is hoping to get in really early on the next unicorn. Seems to me the main difference is that this kind of “investment” is generally only available to people who are already “elite” in some sense (i.e. sufficiently wealthy and/or connected).
I almost hate to say it, but compare the benefit of silicon valley startups to broader society and the benefit of bitcoin to broader society. So, either way, lucky duckies get mega rich, richer than anyone should be, but at least the SV stuff usually actually does something.
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#94Someone had built-out a cage with 50 to 60 really nice high-end racks of shiny, new bitcoin mining hardware. Snazzy logos, brushed steel chassis and lots of blue LEDs (I think the LEDs are required, in order to be cool). The structured cabling was a work of art. They really went the extra mile to look good.
These machines crunched away for maybe a month, and the next time I visited the datacenter, every machine in the cage was turned off and dark. No more blue LEDs. They stayed that way for months, until the datacenter needed the floor space and carted the junk away. I believe the hardware was recycled, I don't know who got the racks.
I dug into the story a little and found that the company hadn't paid their power bill. I believe that the hardware wasn't paid for, either, but it was not as efficient as newer hardware and not useful to anyone, so they just left it.
Scammers and waste, all the way down.
Re: New study detects lottery-like behavior in cryptocurrency markets
#95It makes sense. In my experience the primary goal for most crypto holders is to be a part of a new elite. This is why the most popular currencies have a fixed supply. That way, if they're popular earlier adopters get to be a part of the elite. With such a premise it makes sense to treat crypto like the lottery as the gain/loss likelihood is very similar to say, Mega Millions. I do see value in a crypto that's pinned…
Or they want to get away from government controlled artificially inflated currency.
Re: New study detects lottery-like behavior in cryptocurrency markets
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
> In my experience the primary goal for most crypto holders is to be a part of a new elite. This part doesn’t sound very different from investing in startups, where everyone is hoping to get in really early on the next unicorn. Seems to me the main difference is that this kind of “investment” is generally only available to people who are already “elite” in some sense (i.e. sufficiently wealthy and/or connected).
I almost hate to say it, but compare the benefit of silicon valley startups to broader society and the benefit of bitcoin to broader society. So, either way, lucky duckies get mega rich, richer than anyone should be, but at least the SV stuff usually actually does something.
What's the upper limit on how rich a person should be in your view?
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
maybe for developed nations - that doesn't represent much of the world
So high tech crypto is the solution to making trading with the developing world easier? Aren’t these the same sorts of places which struggle to have reliable electricity, let alone internet access?
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#98To the anti-BTC crowd: Yes, the current price of crypto is based on speculation, not in their current utility. But there also was a dotcom bubble 20 years ago. Does that mean that the World Wide Web is useless? Cryptocurrencies will be highly useful as stores of value and maybe as currency. We're just not there yet. This is just the Gartner hype cycle, with the addition that for the first time we have a global market…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbr3NC9oqp4&list=PL_xlkwLDH1...
Re: New study detects lottery-like behavior in cryptocurrency markets
#99It makes sense. In my experience the primary goal for most crypto holders is to be a part of a new elite. This is why the most popular currencies have a fixed supply. That way, if they're popular earlier adopters get to be a part of the elite. With such a premise it makes sense to treat crypto like the lottery as the gain/loss likelihood is very similar to say, Mega Millions. I do see value in a crypto that's pinned…
> I do see value in a crypto that's pinned at a weighted average of every single currencies' worldwide weight, but it's a perfectly stable currency If every government in the world is printing money like crazy, how is this "stable". In the US, 23% of the money supply was created in the last year, with no visible inflation (excluding asset prices, home, energy, etc). God knows what it'll be 5 years from now What has b…
It's not stable for most governments, and they risk an inflationary crisis if they go too far.
But the US government is a bit different: the dollar is backed up on one side by Saudi oil exports and OPEC agreements to reinvest profits into US Treasury bonds. And on the other side is the Fifth Fleet.
Re: New study detects lottery-like behavior in cryptocurrency markets
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I do see value in a crypto that's pinned at a weighted average of every single currencies' worldwide weight, but it's a perfectly stable currency If every government in the world is printing money like crazy, how is this "stable". In the US, 23% of the money supply was created in the last year, with no visible inflation (excluding asset prices, home, energy, etc). God knows what it'll be 5 years from now What has b…
If the dollars are borrowed or printed in exchange for collateral, no value has been destroyed, just dollars have been issued to account for that value. Not all newly printed dollars are the same, and this idea that M1/M2 volume is important to determine inflation is an outdated way of thinking. What the US has "stimulated" is preventing the economy from going into a recession. There are many businesses that are open…
Take a look at where the money went. Buying $800 billion of mortgage backed securities and 1.96 trillion in long term treasuries. A lot of other line items. 1.54 trillion in Loan and Grant Programs. You can argue that these somehow all of these trickled down to keeping businesses open, as perfectly designed by the masters of the universe that have only our interests at heart, but I'm skeptical. I personally think a lot of these were designed to reinflate asset prices for the already wealthy capital holders. Why is it that asset prices re-inflated to pre-covid levels? Is the future prospects of these enterprises somehow much higher than pre-covid? How does this make sense?