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Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Perhaps, but this is the last Google product I still use. If they break YouTube like they did search, chrome, cellphones, and email, I guess I am off to find something else which must hurt their bottom line eventually.

Nebula seems like an obvious alternative

It's only for a handful of channels though.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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It would be even easier to hide reality by... actually hiding reality. YouTube is closed-source, and they already use fuzzy numbering for dislike counts. They could’ve rigged it so that, instead of actually displaying the number of dislikes on the WH videos, they instead displayed the logarithm. How would you know? The fact that they are removing the dislike count entirely instead shows me that the problem is not lim…

> They could’ve rigged it so that, instead of actually displaying the number of dislikes on the WH videos, they instead displayed the logarithm. How would you know? a few people getting together and disliking something and not seeing the dislike grow at all would turn that into an embarrassment. > They are hiding that number on the entire website, because they are trying to solve a perceived problem that affects the…

> a few people getting together and disliking something and not seeing the dislike grow at all would turn that into an embarrassment

Not really. YouTube already fudges the like and dislike counters, based on their bot-detection algorithms, the eventually-consistent database that these counters are stored on, and stuff that’s already in place to defuse vote trains.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Surprisingly, that would be the tipping point that would get me to pay. Dislike ratio is very useful to avoid wasting time.

That's what YouTube wants eh

Just going to stop using Youtube at some point.

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The core intention of YouTube is to have a platform to advertise on. Without the viewers, the advertisers would have no interest in the platform. If there were no advertisers, that would not sway the viewers from having interest in the platform. The ads are there as a means to the end, it’s not the end itself.

If there were no advertisers, they would not be able to pay the expenses required to deliver something that meets user's expectations, and they would lose interest.

Not necessarily. There are other models that could work for YouTube, like the subscription model, and they could always go back to YouTube being an unprofitable arm of Alphabet like it was.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Seems like it should be a market inevitability. There are just so many things wrong with YouTube. The main obstacle is the bandwidth cost, and that's not an issue for any major tech company. I think Facebook could actually properly compete with YouTube if they wanted, it's just that their insistence that you have to be logged in to access content makes it much less appealing as a platform, because you can't just link…

>The main obstacle is the bandwidth cost ...hence the ads? How would competitors be immune to the need to pay the bills?

Netflix charges a monthly price. They could have an open YouTube-like service (no subscription required) which adds value to their offering, and tries to bring people into a paying Netflix subscription.

It's not just the ads that are the problem with YouTube. It's also the way they can just demonetize anything that doesn't please advertisers, and the way their recommendation algorithm works. They don't even show me a lot of the videos from people I subscribed to on the app's homepage. Wtf?

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Looks like trolling to me. There's 95% dislike rate even for a mundane "paycheck protection bill".

It is NOT trolling. I made the site. You can easily verify my data. - The hard way: Use YouTube's API to track the stats on one of the videos. Compare to my data, and the two will line up. - The medium-hard way: Over the course of a day or so, simply compare the official likes/dislikes that you see on youtube.com to my stats at 81m.org. You will see that my stats line up with the official numbers. It might be hard to…

I think he meant the dislikes were trolling, not your website.

As another commenter mentioned, Biden inherited all of Trump's followers. Enough of them probably just downvote everything Biden posts, which one might call a very mild form of trolling.

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Well, this might be why. [0] That's a Biden video hosted by CNBC Television that currently has 571 upvotes and 1400 dislikes. There there is the Joe Biden channel, where almost all videos have at least 50% dislike count compared to upvotes, and a significant number have more dislikes that upvotes. [1] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f2D0GxCuBo [1] https://www.youtube.com/c/JoeBiden/videos

and that's a good reason to hide downvotes then if the spin becomes "Biden wants it" without any proof, Biden videos will keep being downvoted only because those who oppose to him think he is censoring YouTube But that's not what downvotes on YouTube should be used for I am sure Biden as the President of the USA has the power to ask YouTube to reset the counters and call it a mistake, there would be no need to change…

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Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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What a silly conspiracy theory. If the wanted to hide embarrassing downvotes on certain videos, they'd just remove those downvotes, not the entire feature.

They do that too

So why would they remove the feature if it worked better manipulated?

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>I mean, it wasn't even a week ago where the media is running video with Biden's hand passing through reporter's microphones as he answered questions. Almost everything online and in the media is faked now. It was a large and fuzzy microphone down and to his right. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2LH199 Alternate angle video (Note how low the two fuzzy mics are): https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/b…

>The problem is, even the people who think they understand that and see through it are being manipulated. Whether he's CGI Joe or not is just splitting hairs over the level of fake. The boring explanation is that the entire interaction was fake. The press had prepared questions that Biden knew. Biden had prepared answers the press knew. They're all just reading lines from a script. They might have even done more than…

An even simpler explanation is that Biden is reasonably knowledgeable and competent, based on his extensive experience. He seems to me like an intelligent person who is comfortable with technicalities but awkward at banter and small talk.

I can't tell whether you're motivated by skepticism of Biden or politics in general, but you seem irrationally fixated on this, and we're now far away from talking about Youtube.

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This is unlikely, because youtube has one thing that no other platform does, creators. How many youtubers would actually be willing to post on another website, let alone exclusively? How many fans would actually follow them? For already risk averse youtubers this is unlikely.

Many, actually. There are quite a few active alternatives now, such as Nebula for science YouTubers and Odyssey. Last I heard Linus Sebastian was working on an alternative as well. It seems that most content creators are quite worried about the way YouTube handles (de-)monitization and copyright strikes. Many CCs are also streamers and use YT only as a side channel. Sure, YT still has a large footprint, but it's not…

There are, but generally for specific interests, and not nearly enough to challenge youtube's market domination. Without something dramatic youtube effectively has monopoly control of supply and demand.
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