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Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Post by Cide »

celsoazevedo wrote: post #55
2ion wrote: post #35

Unfortunately, even if LOS supports my device (it does), it's not a viable solution anymore for me as a primary smartphone OS (even though I really appreciate some of its features -- used it for years on previous phones) due to SafetyNet. - Google Pay will stop working. - My banks' (multiple) primary apps and pushTAN solutions will stop working. and that's two of the most important things I use my phone for nowadays.…

On some phones we can pass the SafetyNet test by using Magisk. Enable Magisk Hide for the apps that use SafetyNet. Sometimes you also need to add the Phone app to Magisk Hide (not sure why) and/or "hide" the Magisk app with the built in toggle. Obviously it's not something everyone wants to deal with, but both my banking app and Google Pay works on my Asus Zenfone 6.

Fellow Zenfone 6 user here. Are you running LineageOS or another rom? How are you finding it?

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Post by jlkuester7 »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #53
Scene_Cast2 wrote: post #32

Google Trends is telling me that "peak modding" for android was around 2014, and has steadily been decreasing since. [0] What happened since then? Are people more satisfied with stock ROMs and see less use for them? FWIW, my own phone is on LineageOS, and love the freedom it provides. [0] https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2009-11-01%202...

The decay and death of CyanogenMod. Lineage never achieved the same level of accessibility. It always felt like you had to dig through a wasteland of forum posts for random "unofficial" builds where the camera wouldn't work or LTE wouldn't work or bluetooth wouldn't work or Snapchat wouldn't work.

Hmm, that has not been my experience with Lineage at all. Over the last couple of years I have flashed several devices with Lineage and it has always worked almost seamlessly. Maybe the difference is that these devices have mostly just been popular Nexus/Pixel with official builds. (Except for my Nexus 7 where I flashed an unofficial build since Lineage no longer official supports the greatest tablet ever made shakes fist angrily)

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Post by elric »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #48
yaomtc wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What benefit does this restrictive bank offer over, say, a credit union? Or another big bank without this app requirement?

In many countries, all banks are moving towards apps that require Google Play Services and passing Safety Net. (And a diverse ecosystem of "credit unions" is a USA-specific thing.) Banks are phasing out other means of 2FA like code cards or code calculators, and expecting all customers to have an Android or Apple phone.

That's obviously a stupid move by those banks. And if you think so too, you should point it out to them. Your bank is unlikely to read HN (hah!), but they are commercial institutions and some of them might even listen to their customers.

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Post by eptcyka »

skynet-9000 wrote: post #46
tumblewit wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DRM is a problem everywhere including linux and running ChromiumOS. There is a protected path from the stream to the display that needs to be "certified" in order to support something like 1080p. I guess for payments it's similar. Its really unnecessary and waste of resources imo. But creators probably want some kind of assurances and so we are stuck with it.

You are forgetting that DRM stopped all that piracy that bankrupted the movie industry. That's also why there were so few movies released in the last 15 months or so. It really debunks that myth that open source software could ever handle the strong encryption that's so desperately needed to protect new movies and TV shows from showing up on The Pirate Bay. I for one welcome this cogent and secure technological respo…

Bankrupting? When has a Hollywood movie not been a massive success in viewership but a massive loss on the balance sheet? I wouldn't trust Hollywood accountants.

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Post by _rdvw »

jhoho wrote: post #33
codethief wrote: post #19

I've been using LineageOS since the good ol' CyanogenMod days and I am very grateful for how much work the developers put into it day in and day out. Thanks to them, I managed to get rid of Google Apps in my day-to-day life almost[0] entirely and drastically improve privacy for me: Instead of Google Play Services I use MicroG[1] and instead of Play Store, I use Aurora Store[2] and F-Droid. For syncing files there is…

CalyxOS might be worth a look! It's available one for Pixels and the Mi A2 and offers seamless updates, microG and a closed bootloader! https://calyxos.org/

My project DivestOS supports bootloader locking, verified boot, and OTA updates for many more legacy devices.

https://divestos.org

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Post by volongoto »

This made me think about the Huawei devices that ship without Google Play Services. But, looking at the list of supported devices, I could not see any new Huawei phones. I wonder what the reason for this lack of support could be... Is it because of locked bootloaders?

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

2ion wrote: post #35

Unfortunately, even if LOS supports my device (it does), it's not a viable solution anymore for me as a primary smartphone OS (even though I really appreciate some of its features -- used it for years on previous phones) due to SafetyNet. - Google Pay will stop working. - My banks' (multiple) primary apps and pushTAN solutions will stop working. and that's two of the most important things I use my phone for nowadays.…

> Ironically, devices which haven't had security fixes in 1 year (thanks for nothing, Sony) will also pass safetynet, and the mentioned apps' vendors will still deem them "secure".

Yeah, that's what always got me - they'll act like rooting your phone or installing a custom ROM makes it "insecure", but then turn around and act like a phone is secure running an arbitrarily old stock ROM that's little more than a pile of known vulnerabilities. I even hit this with a company I worked for - they could not grasp the idea that my phone with a current patch level could possibly be safe, because I had root on it... while seeing no problem with my having root on my company laptop and all of our servers. Yeesh.

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Post by _e »

arsome wrote: post #80
birksherty wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still root for fine tuned privacy (through xprivacyLua) and app backups (through titanium backup). These 2 apps provide features that are not available in any other os.

Interesting, looks like there's an Xposed solution that passes safetynet easily these days. Might have to give XPrivacyLua a proper go.

I have used XPrivacyLua for years. It is great but not perfect.

Daniel Micay,author of GrapheneOS (an Android fork), pointed out some shortcomings of XPrivacyLua on reddit[0]:

You do probably want the ability to force apps to see fake data, but this doesn't do that. It's a client-side check inserted into the app that the app can bypass (even unintentionally, by using a different client-side implementation) or disable.

It does not provide any isolation and cannot fundamentally improve privacy / security because it's based on client side checks, which is not a working approach. It relies on apps not accessing the data via other approaches or alternate implementations of the client-side code, which isn't uncommon. Apps can also detect it and simply work around it directly. This will only give you a false sense of privacy / security. Apps will likely use the fake data for their user-facing functionality, making you think that it works, but a tracking SDK bundled with the app can easily bypass this and harvest your data if you allow the permissions via the OS. This is harmful approach...

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/GrapheneOS/comments/ch5kv8/is_magis...

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Post by dartharva »

3np wrote: post #75
dartharva wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. It's not even just banking apps - even my TSP's app refuses to run on my Samsung phone now that I have tripped its Knox counter. It's just a lazy and convenient approach to prevent tampering.

Very much OT, but maybe it’s worth a shot... I wasn’t able to do a full backup of my Galaxy (encrypted, stock, unrooted) so installed TWRP. Now I’m stuck in the infamous boot loop and can’t get out. Knox is tripped. I kind of really need to get in to get some files in there. Should have known better but it’s a bit frustrating that it was precisely trying to perform a backup that made this happen. Can’t find stock fir…

Sorry to hear that, I've been in the same situation for too many times now. Yeah, recovering your files at that stage is very likely impossible.

You can get your stock firmware easily though, with any of these tools:

Frija (GUI, recommended): https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/tool-frija-samsung-firmwa...

Samloader: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/tool-samloader-samfirm-fr...

samfirm.js: https://github.com/jesec/samfirm.js

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Post by karlicoss »

codethief wrote: post #19

I've been using LineageOS since the good ol' CyanogenMod days and I am very grateful for how much work the developers put into it day in and day out. Thanks to them, I managed to get rid of Google Apps in my day-to-day life almost[0] entirely and drastically improve privacy for me: Instead of Google Play Services I use MicroG[1] and instead of Play Store, I use Aurora Store[2] and F-Droid. For syncing files there is…

I mean, don't you risk all your data when you install an app on your computer? Certainly, but it's not the reason to lock down the computer experience for everyone.

I appreciate the 'apps as containers' by default. But it sometimes makes using my phone unbearable. E.g. why can't I see my own apps' settings or data (in /data/data) without rooting my phone? Or why is my only default backup option is a blackbox backup in google drive? (yes there is seedvault in Lineage, but this already restricts you to certain phones). Why can't I use symlinks (or at least bind mounts) so I can syncthing a single directory instead of a bunch of scattered dirs like Camera/DCIM; Downloads; Pictures; Android/data/app.name/, etc?

That said I agree that Linux on desktop could use better and friendlier app containers as well. But I feel like the security/malleability balance is much better on Linux, at least for a technical user.

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