LineageOS 18.1 • Hacker News Board

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Post by Mediterraneo10 » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 3:10 PM UTC

arsome wrote: post #39

Scene_Cast2 wrote: post #32

Google Trends is telling me that "peak modding" for android was around 2014, and has steadily been decreasing since. [0] What happened since then? Are people more satisfied with stock ROMs and see less use for them? FWIW, my own phone is on LineageOS, and love the freedom it provides. [0] https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2009-11-01%202...

A lot happened - many more recent phones, especially from big brands like Samsung heavily restrict unlocking of their bootloaders. Google implemented SafetyNet, meaning anyone who wants to use things like Google Pay, Netflix, even Pokemon Go and others now has to jump through hoops. Additionally, things like Netflix are still restricted from HD playback on unlocked devices due to hardware DRM. Android has also gotten…

Plus, several countries have announced that their COVID vaccination passports will exist mainly in app form, since paper certificates are supposedly too easy to forge. Since only a tiny minority of techies like us around here run alternative Android images and app developers have come to expect Google Play Services everywhere, it is almost certain that those COVID passport apps will require Play Services (or even Safety Net, which means MicroG wouldn't be a workaround).

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Post by skbt » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 3:12 PM UTC

It is interesting that oneplus one and oneplus 3 are getting 18.1 while oneplus 2 is not

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Post by BugsJustFindMe » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 3:14 PM UTC

Scene_Cast2 wrote: post #32

Google Trends is telling me that "peak modding" for android was around 2014, and has steadily been decreasing since. [0] What happened since then? Are people more satisfied with stock ROMs and see less use for them? FWIW, my own phone is on LineageOS, and love the freedom it provides. [0] https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2009-11-01%202...

The decay and death of CyanogenMod.

Lineage never achieved the same level of accessibility. It always felt like you had to dig through a wasteland of forum posts for random "unofficial" builds where the camera wouldn't work or LTE wouldn't work or bluetooth wouldn't work or Snapchat wouldn't work.

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Post by goffi » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 3:22 PM UTC

Maakuth wrote: post #11

Wow, Nexus 7 2013 is still supported. For reference, it was a budget tablet with $269 MSRP, introduced eight years ago! I've been running some older LineageOS build on mine, but I think I'm going to do the repartitioning and install the latest and greatest. It is admittedly becoming a bit sluggish with modern apps.

I have one and I'm using Lineage OS 17.1, and it's absolutely smooth, working great. Thanks a lot for people behind that, this tablet is perfect for our usage (music, radio, web, and some apps + test device for app development), and no need to buy a new one and produce more electronic waste.

I did the move after the stock rom went to an infinite loop that I could not recover.

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Post by celsoazevedo » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 3:23 PM UTC

2ion wrote: post #35

Unfortunately, even if LOS supports my device (it does), it's not a viable solution anymore for me as a primary smartphone OS (even though I really appreciate some of its features -- used it for years on previous phones) due to SafetyNet. - Google Pay will stop working. - My banks' (multiple) primary apps and pushTAN solutions will stop working. and that's two of the most important things I use my phone for nowadays.…

On some phones we can pass the SafetyNet test by using Magisk. Enable Magisk Hide for the apps that use SafetyNet. Sometimes you also need to add the Phone app to Magisk Hide (not sure why) and/or "hide" the Magisk app with the built in toggle.

Obviously it's not something everyone wants to deal with, but both my banking app and Google Pay works on my Asus Zenfone 6.

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Post by celsoazevedo » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 3:26 PM UTC

skbt wrote: post #52

It is interesting that oneplus one and oneplus 3 are getting 18.1 while oneplus 2 is not

The OnePlus 2 was a bad phone overall. It didn't sell as well as the OnePlus 1, had the infamous Snapdragon 810 and the modding community was never that strong. All this ends up affecting long term support.

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Post by hitchhikerr » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 3:32 PM UTC

skbt wrote: post #52

It is interesting that oneplus one and oneplus 3 are getting 18.1 while oneplus 2 is not

The OnePlus 2 was pretty unpopular because it didn't have an NFC chip, so there's probably no one who owns one who is willing to maintain it.

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Post by yellowapple » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 3:32 PM UTC

benevol wrote: post #13

_joel wrote: post #3

Any recomendations for current spec phones that work with lineage?

Definitely Fairphone: https://www.fairphone.com/en

I'd be a Fairphone customer right now if they shipped to the US.

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Post by flippinburgers » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 3:33 PM UTC

I am under the impression that even using something like this will leave a person open to vulnerabilities. Is that the case? In other words, some parts of the system (firmware etc) cannot be upgraded.

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Post by oooooooooooow » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 3:34 PM UTC

skynet-9000 wrote: post #46

tumblewit wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DRM is a problem everywhere including linux and running ChromiumOS. There is a protected path from the stream to the display that needs to be "certified" in order to support something like 1080p. I guess for payments it's similar. Its really unnecessary and waste of resources imo. But creators probably want some kind of assurances and so we are stuck with it.

You are forgetting that DRM stopped all that piracy that bankrupted the movie industry. That's also why there were so few movies released in the last 15 months or so. It really debunks that myth that open source software could ever handle the strong encryption that's so desperately needed to protect new movies and TV shows from showing up on The Pirate Bay. I for one welcome this cogent and secure technological respo…

I call nonsense on this one. Anything that's on current streaming services (especially the popular stuff, aka the money makers) can be easily found on p2p networks. DRM has never won a single battle that I know of.

These services are not successful because of exclusivity, but because of convenience, feature richness, legality, speed of access... in other words they are worth the price.

It's important to be aware of this: the media streaming landscape becoming more and more fragmented directly impacts the most important reason why people are paying for these (convenience), which could lead to a harsh reality check for production companies.