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Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Post by maxerickson »

taeric wrote: post #12
senectus1 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll be one vat with the potential for 15 million doses... the corrupted mix never reached the individual dose stage.

I find it sad how quick the narrative jumps to the more absurd 15 million number. Obviously, the mistake is bad. But this is something with a very high fan out. And the smaller number just doesn't get the clicks. :(

The batch time seems to be weeks/months, so there is some relevance to the dose count (it's wasted time in addition to the wasted ingredients).

And it's put other production from the facility into question.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Post by mc32 »

maxerickson wrote: post #21
taeric wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it sad how quick the narrative jumps to the more absurd 15 million number. Obviously, the mistake is bad. But this is something with a very high fan out. And the smaller number just doesn't get the clicks. :(

The batch time seems to be weeks/months, so there is some relevance to the dose count (it's wasted time in addition to the wasted ingredients). And it's put other production from the facility into question.

And there will be an FDA investigation which will put further delays into new production.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Post by taeric »

maxerickson wrote: post #21
taeric wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it sad how quick the narrative jumps to the more absurd 15 million number. Obviously, the mistake is bad. But this is something with a very high fan out. And the smaller number just doesn't get the clicks. :(

The batch time seems to be weeks/months, so there is some relevance to the dose count (it's wasted time in addition to the wasted ingredients). And it's put other production from the facility into question.

But this is a natural consequence of mistakes in processes with very high fan out.

Obviously, it should be investigated such that were can reduce the chance is mistakes in the future. But piling on with blame will just convince folks not to try.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Post by maxerickson »

taeric wrote: post #23
maxerickson wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The batch time seems to be weeks/months, so there is some relevance to the dose count (it's wasted time in addition to the wasted ingredients). And it's put other production from the facility into question.

But this is a natural consequence of mistakes in processes with very high fan out. Obviously, it should be investigated such that were can reduce the chance is mistakes in the future. But piling on with blame will just convince folks not to try.

Given the $10 a dose revenue, I'd call it a failure in the process rather than a mistake. That it was possible is the bigger problem than it happening.

And then there's the much greater value of the doses once they have been administered.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Post by hetspookjee »

It's funny to read it as J&J vaccine, while here in the Netherlands where the institute we all call it Janssen because that is the name of the institute. Im also in favor if the title reflected Janssen as well but I guess it's what it is as the article and the rest of America also calls it J&J vaccine. It's just a bit weird that it now gets the American name while they're just the parent company and didn't were involved so much in the R&D.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Post by markdown »

endisneigh wrote: post #4
briefcomment wrote: post #3

How do you make 15 million of anything without realizing there's an issue, let alone the most scrutinized thing on the planet right now?

> Context: Workers at the plant, which had been producing Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca vaccines, conflated the ingredients between the two different types of vaccines, destroying 15 million doses of Johnson & Johnson vaccine, according to the Times.

Jesus Christ, this shouldn't happen in a certified cGMP (food) facility let alone a pharmaceutical plant.

HACCP would prevent this in any number of ways.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Post by markdown »

finolex1 wrote: post #20
hn8788 wrote: post #2

I wonder if those vaccines were primarily going to be distributed locally. I live nearby, and my county's weekly covid update said they expect to have most people 16+ vaccinated by the end of April because we're supposed start getting an increased number of vaccine doses every week.

"The error should not affect Johnson & Johnson doses currently being delivered and administered nationwide, as they were produced in the Netherlands. ... The Times says the accident won't stop the U.S. from reaching President Biden's goal of having enough vaccine by the end of May for every adult, but in the global race against the virus, every dose counts." Won't affect vaccine delivery for Americans. Difficult to s…

You could vaccinate two dozen countries to 100% with 15M doses.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Post by sebmellen »

hetspookjee wrote: post #26

It's funny to read it as J&J vaccine, while here in the Netherlands where the institute we all call it Janssen because that is the name of the institute. Im also in favor if the title reflected Janssen as well but I guess it's what it is as the article and the rest of America also calls it J&J vaccine. It's just a bit weird that it now gets the American name while they're just the parent company and didn't were invol…

Same deal with the Pfizer vaccine, really. My family in Germany lives near where BioNTech is located, and everyone is very proud to call it the BioNTech vaccine.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Post by zacharycohn »

bitcharmer wrote: post #14
jschwartzi wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the article it says that these doses were produced in a facility that wasn't approved by the FDA yet, so this has no impact on the availability of doses now. It might have an impact on the availability of doses in the future though.

Honest question: if the facility wasn't approved by the FDA then why was it manufacturing the vaccines at all? And how could such vaccines be used anywhere if they were produced by an unapproved facility?

Everyone has been gearing up production before approvals with the assumption they'll get approved for expediency sake.

You get approved? Great - We can immediately ship these 30 million doses while we start the next 30 million.

We don't get approved? Write off the produced doses, fix your process, and try again.

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