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Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for songs they didn't write

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Re: Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for songs they didn't write

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Perhaps it's naive of me, but I can't help but look down on this kind of behavior. I know that tax money is rarely spent in the most efficient way possible, but (ideally) the point of taxes is that they go to benefit the general public. Moving just so one doesn't have to pay as much, after (presumably) living in the state for some time feels selfish and greedy.

I would allow them to move to avoid paying less, but put a 15 year time limit on moving back. If you move back before, you pay the original tax? The same for corporations who move to the lowest taxed country. Apple wants to pay Irish tax rates, then pack up CEO, CFO, and all employees in management positions and move to Ireland and Zoom. Your troops can stay here. (Your first few big pay days should be exempt from al…

This is where payment plans come in. Instead of lump sum taxed as such. Have a portion per year taxed at the lower threshold.

But how you arrange doing that within your business framework is hard.

I agree that tax system should take individual person constancy of income into account.

Re: Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for songs they didn't write

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Swift writes her own music. She works with collaborators and producers but she writes her own music. Dessner sent her instrumental tracks that she turned into folklore (writing to track), it was similar with Antonof. This isn’t a marketing charade, she’s literally a songwriter first. She has included song-writing voice memos that show the progression of how she wrote certain songs on 1989 and the documentary “Miss Am…

There are a lot of rock singers whose talent isn't actually singing. Neil Young, for example. His songwriting and arrangements are so good one doesn't notice he doesn't have a good voice for singing.

> he doesn't have a good voice for singing.

Not everyone agrees with that estimation

Vocal Coach reacts to Neil Young - Old Man (Live)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppSF6JpdaKQ

Neil Young "Old Man" REACTION & ANALYSIS by Vocal Coach / Opera Singer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trE7YifD9Jc

Re: Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for songs they didn't write

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> Any state? Any due process outcome? Any percentage? My original comment does not state my opinions on these parameters of the taxation process. I was commenting on how I felt the act of moving to a new state, just to get out of paying taxes in the state you currently live in (and earned that money in), is, in general, immoral. I could have spent several paragraphs going over every possible exception to this viewpoi…

I understand, and I didn't mean to come across like I wanted you to write a dissertation on the topic. I do find all of these issues related though, and that your comment is only naive because it isn't nuanced enough. Naive wouldn't have been the word I would have led with, as it is your word for yourself willing to be open to another perspective. I don't find that action immoral because I don't find the state's goal…

I agree that a state (or country, etc.) will nearly always have a certain amount of amorality (or immorality, for that matter). However most legislatures have at least some morality as well. Taxes aren't always used to incentivize/disincentivize, sometimes they are gathered for public works or services, such as roadways, healthcare*, and unemployement benefits. I know that an individual may not always view those things as something the government should be taking a hand in, but I would like to think that, even if someone doesn't agree with the action, they can at least agree with the intention.

*the current state of the US healthcare system notwithstanding.

Re: Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for songs they didn't write

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My favorite was in grad school -- six weeks into a final project, the professor emailed us "we noticed one of your assigned group member's name was missing from the project mid-term report". We were all like huh? What 5th group member? This person was assigned to our random group at week 0 and had never bother to even introduce himself in five weeks! Free rider galore.

Well now I'm curious. How was the situation resolved?

It was a 13 week class and the person minimally contributed by just showing up to meetings such that you couldn't say "he didn't show up." We had to do some D3js visualizations and one time he even sent a photo shreenshot of a chart rather than actual code to embed onto our project site.

One time he gave us a hard time about not being able to meet at any point except his lunch-hour. So we're all on Eastern Time at 3pm during the workday and he's on zoom...eating a sandwich as we spoke. So we gave up, we didnt even include him on any conversations because it was negative value.

In speaking with other students, 5-10% of the graduating class were complete free riders. Some were sponsored (e.g., federal government employees, etc) and were not only free-riders in terms of work, but also in terms of cost. Further, when graded your team got graded based on how many people you had, which many of us spoke up against especially given randomly assigned groups.

That said, some of my randomly assigned teammates were awesome, we're still friends, we formed great bonds and I wouldnt want to miss that experience.

Re: Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for songs they didn't write

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Several people, all listed at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAP_(song) . The song has topped numerous charts, for instance Pitchfork and Rolling Stone's best song of 2020. Why wouldn't they want to take credit?

All the people who created WAP are not listed in this link. On Spotify, WAP's credits list Performed by Cardi B, Megan Thee Stallion Written by Austin Owens, Belcalis Almanzar, Frank Rodriguez, James Foye iii, Jordan Thorpe, Megan Pete Produced by Ayo & Keyz We can compare this to a Kpop song called IDEA that 2 of the same people who wrote WAP worked on Performed by Taemin Written by Adrian Mckinnon, Austin Owens, Ja…

In American rap culture, rap artists are usually expected to write their own lyrics without significant help from other songwriters, with the exception of samples, production, and any parts of the song that are not rapped.

https://www.complex.com/music/2012/08/the-nas-controversy-an...

That's why the WAP songwriters are the rappers (Megan thee Stallion and Cardi B), the producers (Ayo N Keyz), and the songwriter of the sampled track (Frank Ski). Many other genres do not have this kind of expectation.

If you are accusing the WAP songwriters of employing ghostwriters, that is a severe allegation and needs evidence to be taken seriously.

Re: Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for songs they didn't write

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There are a lot of rock singers whose talent isn't actually singing. Neil Young, for example. His songwriting and arrangements are so good one doesn't notice he doesn't have a good voice for singing.

> he doesn't have a good voice for singing. Not everyone agrees with that estimation Vocal Coach reacts to Neil Young - Old Man (Live) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppSF6JpdaKQ Neil Young "Old Man" REACTION & ANALYSIS by Vocal Coach / Opera Singer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trE7YifD9Jc

I'm not so sure that isn't just confirmation bias.

Compare his voice to that of, say, A-ha's lead singer. Now that guy has a voice. The same with the lead singer of Emerson, Lake and Palmer.

One reason Neil Young appeals to me is because he has an unremarkable voice yet succeeded anyway. Yah gotta respect that.

I remember when Stevie Nicks burst on the scene. All the reviews were she had a lousy, raspy voice that nobody would like. But she soon won everyone over :-)

Re: Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for songs they didn't write

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There are a lot of rock singers whose talent isn't actually singing. Neil Young, for example. His songwriting and arrangements are so good one doesn't notice he doesn't have a good voice for singing.

> he doesn't have a good voice for singing. Not everyone agrees with that estimation Vocal Coach reacts to Neil Young - Old Man (Live) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppSF6JpdaKQ Neil Young "Old Man" REACTION & ANALYSIS by Vocal Coach / Opera Singer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trE7YifD9Jc

Young's voice suffers terribly from age, so I think both views are correct depending on which recording you're looking at. Pretty sure that live recording of Old Man is from his 1971 Live at Massey Hall recording, which is him near his peak.

Re: Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for songs they didn't write

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I understand, and I didn't mean to come across like I wanted you to write a dissertation on the topic. I do find all of these issues related though, and that your comment is only naive because it isn't nuanced enough. Naive wouldn't have been the word I would have led with, as it is your word for yourself willing to be open to another perspective. I don't find that action immoral because I don't find the state's goal…

I agree that a state (or country, etc.) will nearly always have a certain amount of amorality (or immorality, for that matter). However most legislatures have at least some morality as well. Taxes aren't always used to incentivize/disincentivize, sometimes they are gathered for public works or services, such as roadways, healthcare*, and unemployement benefits. I know that an individual may not always view those thin…

> I would like to think that, even if someone doesn't agree with the action, they can at least agree with the intention.

right, and I find that unrelated to being obligated to pay it.

its more like

"way to go, guys!" buys gas across the county line

"that's a great cause!" buys property in another state

"yes, build that park Leslie Knope!" moves

if I didn't do any of those things then I would pay it. if I wanted 1% - 50% more money to do a different thing and there was a legally compliant way to do so (enabled by the same authorities, mind you), I would consider it

Re: Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for songs they didn't write

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It would take 5 minutes to synthesize the answer after a much longer time of studying the universe of possibilities. The financial advisor should be able to provide that.

What is any 5 minute answer to the problem from any of the possibilities?

A) Moving to a state with no income tax for half a year. But that just saves upwards of 12%.

B) Having more than 7M in already-taxed money and spending that on things that supported his own business. When you are doing something you love it feels no different than consumptive spending on a bunch of toys. The spending is tax deductible against the 7M he earned that year. Nothing goes to the government. Ideally he monetizes it to a greater amount in a future year and pays taxes in that future, but its only his problem if he doesn't monetize.

C) Having more than 7M in borrowed funds and spending that on things that supported his own business. Now both the spending and the interest payments are tax deductible against the 7M he earned that year. Nothing, goes to the government. Ideally he monetizes it to a greater amount in a future year and pays taxes in that future, but its only his problem if he doesn't monetize, and maybe the people he borrowed from.

D) Constructively structuring the payment as a capital gain, and moving to Puerto Rico under Act 60. This nullifies state and federal tax, while staying compliant under the federal government and the territory and prior state. This would involve talking with the organization that would pay you, maybe they could give you a share grant of the same amount, or of a discounted product they sell. Distinctly not 5 minutes. This actually might be easy since the royalty rights can already be bought and sold separately than the royalty payment.

E) Selling the rights to royalties to your own private foundation. 5 minutes if you already have a private foundation. Not 5 minutes if you don't. If you want to be liquid you can always pay yourself a modest or fantastic salary from the foundation, which is taxed. Either way, now you only need tax deductions against the much smaller salary while the rest of the liquidity can be invested or just sit there. (There is something equivalent to a 2% tax on the royalty received, and an annual 5% charitable contribution requirement. Still better than 12% and much better than 37% + 12% + self employment tax%)

as you might notice, all of this works no matter what the tax rates are or become, but people in your party that know this will nod and agree with whatever sentiment you have anyway. The politics typically only results in taxing salaried employees slightly higher or slightly lower.

so, most people would be prepared for option A) but its not hard to structure your life for the other options to become options. the trickier part is the big payment. its not supposed to be a "tax dodge" its just understanding why the tax rate can be 0%. Many people's tax experience is opening up Turbotax and crossing their fingers for a refund as the numbers spin like a slot machine, others of us know exactly what should be computed and have pushed chess pieces all year for it.

Re: Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for songs they didn't write

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What makes it a joke? Why is it funny? Explain to everyone why no one wanting to take credit for WAP is funny. I don't think there's a reason that doesn't circle back to my original assessment of the guy.

Because the lyrics are amazingly vulgar and are inappropriate for most conversations.

How does that make not wanting to take credit for it a joke?

And was this the first song that was "amazingly vulgar" or "inappropriate for most conversations"?

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