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Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by Waterluvian »

vkou wrote: post #70
Waterluvian wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now that I think of it, Twitter doesn't have downvotes and I've never struggled to tell a bad tweet from its ratio.

A bad tweet is obvious because it's easy to digest. Unfortunately, the 'dislike' signal on a YouTube video doesn't tell me if it's because an expert disagrees with its content, or because the creator is being brigaded, or because the downvoters disagree with their politics (related or unrelated). The comments are a better signal, but looking through them requires reading... YouTube comments.

I'm not sure bad videos are any harder to digest than bad tweets. Maybe a bit more time consuming?

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by [deleted] »

JasonFruit wrote: post #27
swiley wrote: post #8

It's quickly getting to the point where being exposed to youtube at all just opens you up to a ton of intentional manipulation from an organization who's entire product is manipulating people for pay. It's probably best to completely avoid all of it.

I could not repair half the things I have learned to repair without Youtube. 100% worth having to look out for manipulative antifeatures, in my book.

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Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by causality0 »

retsibsi wrote: post #9

This seems rather user-hostile. The downvote count is useful for identifying videos that aren't what they claim to be. And how about DIY videos that give terrible advice? A big downvote ratio will get most people's attention in a way that critical comments may not.

Companies are only interested in user behavior that increases engagement. Everything else is on the chopping block.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by retsibsi »

mrkramer wrote: post #76
retsibsi wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair point, but I think downvotes have been useful to me relatively recently. Fake videos may not show up in recommendation feeds, but they still appear in search results don't they? (And if you're searching for something relatively obscure, you can realistically hit the bottom of the barrel, rather than only seeing the more highly rated results.)

>Fake videos may not show up in recommendation feeds, but they still appear in search results don't they? Use report button

I would for anything truly extreme (like some horrible shock footage in the middle of a supposedly innocent video). But I don't know if all of these videos actually violate any rules; often they are of the kind , where the content is actually someone talking about the thing I'm looking for.

edit: Or another relatively common type, not necessarily fake or even strictly misleading, just cynically low-quality: a video made by pulling some text content from the web, feeding it through a speech synthesiser, and playing that over over the top of some 'relevant' images.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by [deleted] »

lbarrow wrote: post #56
retsibsi wrote: post #9

This seems rather user-hostile. The downvote count is useful for identifying videos that aren't what they claim to be. And how about DIY videos that give terrible advice? A big downvote ratio will get most people's attention in a way that critical comments may not.

The content creators are also users. The announcement emphasizes that they're doing this to help improve the content creator experience.

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Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by thelean12 »

Syonyk wrote: post #47
JasonFruit wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could not repair half the things I have learned to repair without Youtube. 100% worth having to look out for manipulative antifeatures, in my book.

What sort of stuff, and what alternatives have you tried? If it's a vehicle, the Chilton's or Haynes (I'm sure there's a difference but I sure couldn't tell) manuals will cover just about anything you'd want to do. If it's a piece of consumer electronics, iFixit usually has good teardown and repair guides (in the "annotated images and text" style) that cover a lot, though for some brands you can actually find factory…

So I buy the Haynes book for my car, wait for it to be shipped and delivered, then finally figure out how to do what I need to do. Then I put it away for 1-5 years until I need it again, and hope I don't forget where I put it.

Or you want me to build a friendship with a retired fridge repairman? I don't understand that one.

With youtube I get to watch a pro do it right in front of me for free instantly. There's nothing like it.

ifixit is good, though, I'll agree to that.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by webinvest »

twic wrote: post #61

I have a much sillier reason for disliking this change, which is that there is a charming part of YouTube culture where people attempt to explain a small number of downvotes on an otherwise popular video in a witty way. For example, on a recent piece of Imperial propaganda [1] with 100K upvotes and 935 downvotes, we find the comment: > 930 heretics and counting... This one isn't laugh-out-loud funny, maybe raises a g…

I remember a YouTube video of a local news reporter about to interview a teacher for making a eyes-closed backwards basketball shot from half court. The news reporter tries this and with amazing luck, makes the half court blindfolded backwards shot.

In the top comment of the video jokingly said, “the 2 dislikes are from the teacher and her husband”.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by bko »

Hammershaft wrote: post #48
Covzire wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Smells political alright. The Biden admin disabled comments on all official The White House channel videos pretty quickly into their administration. Most videos have a tremendously high dislike to like ratio, the most recent is 3.4K dislikes to 205 likes. I don't know who they expect to consume their Youtube content but it apparently isn't the establishment's voter base. This is another brick in the wall that is Yout…

You think Youtube is removing dislikes because of white house vids that average out less than ~25000 views each?

Why wouldn't you entertain this possibility? Both political parties have been very vocal about regulating or breaking up big tech. I think it's embarrassing to White House. Do you believe that Google would be above doing this for political reasons? Or do you Democrats would be above wanting to suppress this small dissent?
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