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Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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But I heard the florist across the street telling me they are just now getting into the 'deep learning AI' (what they said) just to pick the right flowers for my mother for mothers day several weeks ago. Since they are 'going to use' deep learning soon, they must be turning into an AI company. /s

Every time I see a new company preaching endlessly about 'AI' to address a non issue at this point is straight-up begging to VCs to fund their $0 revenue so-called 'tech startup'.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately marketing is everything. Engineers like to build nice shiny things without much of an eye on how to sell it. If you can slap "AI" on it and make some $, then why not? The end customer may not really care. Its not exactly like calling an apple "organic". Theres no certification process or consensus on what AI actually is or means.

We, the people doing the actual work, have a moral responsibility to resist our work being dishonestly marketed. And certainly a moral responsibility not to engage in it ourselves.

usually marketing always wins.

I remember when 'GANs' were 'marketed' as 'deepfakes' to the public and watched it enter the english lexicon.

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

#53

I tried convincing the business developers and marketing for years that what we did was machine learning, applied statistics or gulp “data-driven” functionality - but no, only thing that worked was “ AI Engine”... hurray for throwing my PhD at the wind...

The alternative is to go full buzzword - we, for example, host our code on the blockchain [0] - and get technical in some lower layers of marketing or documentation, so that people who actually know what they're looking for can find out.

[0] git, that is. Yes, git is technically a blockchain.

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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Off topic: This website needs me to 'accept & close' cookies before i read the article. I had people respond to me in a gdpr thread saying that they never accept cookies example : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26360345 What do such ppl do here? just not read the article?

I typically use "reader mode" in whatever browser I'm on. It typically shows the article nicely even when either a cookie consent modal, or an ad would otherwise be blocking the content.

The MiniHack app on iOS does this as well.

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Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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Related:

Artificial Intelligence – The Revolution Hasn’t Happened Yet (2018) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25530178 - Dec 2020 (120 comments)

The AI Revolution Hasn’t Happened Yet - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16873778 - April 2018 (161 comments)

Others?

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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When machine learning was a buzz word then companies started using it to describe almost everything they do. Recently I have also noticed that more companies (and PMs) are using AI in its place, at least in their marketing speak.

Often the AI or machine learning that is being sold to their customers (or if it’s a startup, to their investors) is in fact a team or a group of teams creating static rules. If it is image recognition the they will often have a large team of manual reviewers. Yes there maybe some AI or machine learning models that are assisting in the decision making, but they are usually much less effective than people realize.

Today whenever I hear AI or machine learning, my default is to assume it is marketing speak.

I don’t doubt there are models, I just doubt their effectiveness. But saying “we use AI to do X”, sounds much better than saying, “we have a team of experts who help us do X really well”

With that said I have worked and continue to work with some amazing data scientist who really are pushing the limits of what can be done with machine learning.

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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Reminds me when X-rays first were discovered, everyone claimed their product contained them, including X-ray headache tablets, golf balls, stove polish, razor blades. https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/rg.242035157 for some fun pictures. I won't be surprised when AI toothbrushes come out.

The Ad for the "x-ray stove polish" lists "cannot explode" as a feature which makes me wonder about their competitions polish

https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=SJMN19060225.2.77&e=-------en--2...

Exploding Stove Polish was apparently a problem. Gotta wonder what chemical it was causing the problem.

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