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Re: Latest Mozilla VPN features

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Post by dewey » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 4:51 PM UTC

acatton wrote: post #74

I genuinely don't understand what is the incentive for using Mozilla VPN? I'm a Mozilla and Firefox fanboy, but this new product had me sceptical since the beginning. They literally bring nothing to the table except their brand name. They don't even do the server side, but just resell Mullvad's infrastructure with their brand. I'm already a Mullvad customer, and if I were to switch to Mozilla VPN: * It would not be a…

It's as simple as that: You are not the target group.

If a regular consumer searches for a VPN product they get a million results, all with different deals and they'd have to figure out how to find the best one and will still be around in a year. If they already trust the Mozilla brand they'll go with that. Just like people go with stock apps on their computer over some maybe better third party app.

Re: Latest Mozilla VPN features

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Post by duxup » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 5:01 PM UTC

acatton wrote: post #74

I genuinely don't understand what is the incentive for using Mozilla VPN? I'm a Mozilla and Firefox fanboy, but this new product had me sceptical since the beginning. They literally bring nothing to the table except their brand name. They don't even do the server side, but just resell Mullvad's infrastructure with their brand. I'm already a Mullvad customer, and if I were to switch to Mozilla VPN: * It would not be a…

I like Mullvad and supporting Mozilla.

Re: Latest Mozilla VPN features

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Post by unethical_ban » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 5:04 PM UTC

acatton wrote: post #74

I genuinely don't understand what is the incentive for using Mozilla VPN? I'm a Mozilla and Firefox fanboy, but this new product had me sceptical since the beginning. They literally bring nothing to the table except their brand name. They don't even do the server side, but just resell Mullvad's infrastructure with their brand. I'm already a Mullvad customer, and if I were to switch to Mozilla VPN: * It would not be a…

>They bring their brand name

To someone who isn't a leet hacker or SW dev, that is the ball game. Firefox and Mozilla aren't household, but millions of less-technical people know of them. Rather than getting their VPN (if they even know the value proposition) from some podcast advertisement, Mozilla is saying "Hey, this kind of service gives you privacy and we stand behind it".

I use it upon occasion. It's dead simple to purchase, set up on any OS and I trust Mozilla not to send me to a shady backend.

If you already have VPN and they don't offer it in your country, they clearly aren't targeting you.

Re: Latest Mozilla VPN features

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Post by ruined » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 5:12 PM UTC

lucideer wrote: post #90

Fergusonb wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're using mullvad you have likely already done a lot of research on which provider you want to use. A lot of consumers are interested in a quality VPN but wouldn't do this kind of research. Mozilla provide additional eyeballs and billing support, and mullvad provides the service itself. It's a mutually beneficial transaction. They're not in competition for your money, they're targeting different demographics.

> they're targeting different demographics This is the question though: who are these demographics? I know Mozilla likely have a lot more data on this than I, but who is using Firefox / interested enough in Mozilla to read their marketing & research their VPN offerings, but is simultaneously not someone who would research VPN providers in general / use Mullvad? What is this techie/non-techie interested/not-interested…

that demographic is huge. most people under 40 today have grown up watching the surveillance industry establish itself, and those with any consciousness of their own vulnerability want to take action to minimize their surface area. until recently that's been extremely difficult and technical, but now firefox with container extensions, adblockers, and a VPN are all easily approachable for the average person, and they're all under one brand.

Re: Latest Mozilla VPN features

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Post by f6v » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 5:14 PM UTC

From their website:

> No logging of your network activity

Does it mean I can torrent whatever I want? I mean, if there's a copyright notice, how're they going to know it was me?

Re: Latest Mozilla VPN features

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Post by approxim8ion » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 5:17 PM UTC

pmurt7 wrote: post #95

I switched to Brave, I feel it's the new Firefox really (both Brave and Firefox were founded by Brendan Eich). IPFS, Tor, built-in ad blocker in Rust, crypto, that's what I want in my browser. VPN is so 2010.

>VPN is so 2010

https://brave.com/firewall-vpn/

Re: Latest Mozilla VPN features

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Post by IgorPartola » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 5:17 PM UTC

jorvi wrote: post #87

IgorPartola wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I signed up for Mozilla VPN instead of Mullvad for a two reasons: 1. It was priced in USD. 2. The price is a flat monthly $5. They don't offer discounts for longer contracts.

> 2. The price is a flat monthly $5. They don't offer discounts for longer contracts. This is something Mulvad has been doing since 2009.. https://mullvad.net/en/pricing

Ah yes, that's correct. My bad, I confused them with someone else I was also looking at, at the time.

Re: Latest Mozilla VPN features

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Post by kyawzazaw » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 5:17 PM UTC

Fergusonb wrote: post #78

acatton wrote: post #74

I genuinely don't understand what is the incentive for using Mozilla VPN? I'm a Mozilla and Firefox fanboy, but this new product had me sceptical since the beginning. They literally bring nothing to the table except their brand name. They don't even do the server side, but just resell Mullvad's infrastructure with their brand. I'm already a Mullvad customer, and if I were to switch to Mozilla VPN: * It would not be a…

If you're using mullvad you have likely already done a lot of research on which provider you want to use. A lot of consumers are interested in a quality VPN but wouldn't do this kind of research. Mozilla provide additional eyeballs and billing support, and mullvad provides the service itself. It's a mutually beneficial transaction. They're not in competition for your money, they're targeting different demographics.

> A lot of consumers are interested in a quality VPN but wouldn't do this kind of research.

In that case, they will probably use NordVPN or ProtonVPN

Re: Latest Mozilla VPN features

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Post by notRobot » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 5:24 PM UTC

f6v wrote: post #105

From their website: > No logging of your network activity Does it mean I can torrent whatever I want? I mean, if there's a copyright notice, how're they going to know it was me?

> Does it mean I can torrent whatever I want?

Yes

Re: Latest Mozilla VPN features

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Post by potency » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 5:28 PM UTC

kfreds wrote: post #57

maeln wrote: post #21

I feel like most of those VPN services are using very borderline marketing and like to keep a lot of information blurry. As far as I know, in a lot of country (like France) it is a legal obligation to keep logs and be able to identify one of your customer if the police demands it. Therefore, if you have server in France or any country with similar rules, you can't operate a "0 log" service. And since those kinds of s…

> As far as I know, in a lot of country (like France) it is a legal obligation to keep logs and be able to identify one of your customer if the police demands it. Not for all types of services. ISPs are sometimes under obligation to log, but VPN services don't belong in that category. I can't speak for others but we have contacts with legal experts (in a few jurisdictions) that alert us to changing laws. Ultimately i…

I would love to use Mullvad, but I need split tunneling on a per-process basis (Windows), since there is the occasional website that hates VPN-based servers. I have a special browser installation I use for such occasions, but few VPN providers offer per-process VPN exceptions. Any chance Mullvad is considering this feature?