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Re: Latest Mozilla VPN features

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

kibwen wrote: post #62
maeln wrote: post #21

I feel like most of those VPN services are using very borderline marketing and like to keep a lot of information blurry. As far as I know, in a lot of country (like France) it is a legal obligation to keep logs and be able to identify one of your customer if the police demands it. Therefore, if you have server in France or any country with similar rules, you can't operate a "0 log" service. And since those kinds of s…

You're correct that scummy, overselling advertisements make the whole VPN industry look bad, but Mozilla's VPN is provided by Mullvad, who doesn't engage in those sorts of advertisements. FWIW, I've looked into Mullvad and even had beers with some of their programmers (all of whom appeared to be Scandinavian anarchist/anti-authoritarian types) and I think Mozilla made an good choice with that partnership. (Of course,…

Mullvad is the bees knees. The cats meow.

Re: Latest Mozilla VPN features

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Post by kijin »

I would prefer something a bit more granular than changing my device's network configuration and sending all of its traffic through the same VPN. Just because I want to watch a movie through a server in another country doesn't mean that I also want my video chat app or stock trading app to take the same detour.

Since this is Mozilla, how about a Firefox extension that passes all Firefox traffic through a VPN, like Tor Browser does, but doesn't touch any other app? That would differentiate it from most of the other VPN offerings out there. Currently my go-to solution is to set up a local SOCKS proxy with an SSH tunnel and point Firefox at it. It's good enough for testing, but not all services work properly when accessed that way.

Re: Latest Mozilla VPN features

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Post by acatton »

I genuinely don't understand what is the incentive for using Mozilla VPN? I'm a Mozilla and Firefox fanboy, but this new product had me sceptical since the beginning. They literally bring nothing to the table except their brand name. They don't even do the server side, but just resell Mullvad's infrastructure with their brand.

I'm already a Mullvad customer, and if I were to switch to Mozilla VPN:

* It would not be available in my country (Germany) right away

* I would have to join a waitlist

* I would have to pay with my credit card, instead of cash-by-mail. (Great privacy improvement! /s)

* I would have to use Mozilla's GUI instead of the wg-quick CLI. (The use of wg-quick is documented by Mullvad in addition to Mullvad's GUI, but I haven't found any wg-quick documentation on Mozilla VPN)

All of this for the same infrastructure, the same service (number of devices, ...) at the same price. What the hell are you doing Mozilla?!

Re: Latest Mozilla VPN features

#75

Post by jdewitt »

I can't find a single reason why Mozilla should be wasting resources on VPN when there are already plenty of companies on that grind.

I can't find any good reason for encouraging people to circumvent network controls, or throw more networking complexity into what was previously very simple for users.

The constant marketing of 'you need a vpn' is super counter productive for users because they have no idea what it even is, what it can break, or why they needed it in the first place. I've run into plenty of folks that said they use vpn because someone offered it to them for free, not because they needed it for any reason.

It's stupid shit like this that makes the development of their key software languish.

Re: Latest Mozilla VPN features

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Post by Black101 »

acatton wrote: post #74

I genuinely don't understand what is the incentive for using Mozilla VPN? I'm a Mozilla and Firefox fanboy, but this new product had me sceptical since the beginning. They literally bring nothing to the table except their brand name. They don't even do the server side, but just resell Mullvad's infrastructure with their brand. I'm already a Mullvad customer, and if I were to switch to Mozilla VPN: * It would not be a…

If Mullvad doesn't know who the customers are, that would be the only possible upside?

Re: Latest Mozilla VPN features

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Post by kfreds »

input_sh wrote: post #68
kfreds wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi! I'm one of Mullvad's founders. I can't speak for Mozilla, but we have our own desktop and mobile apps because it enables us to do more privacy-preserving things with a higher assurance. Consider for instance DNS leaks, Teredo leaks, IPv6 leaks, esoteric DHCP directives that can hack your routing tables, and so on. And these are just a few of the things we were early in mitigating correctly. Consider also the tigh…

I absolutely love your service and will definitely renew it considering my one-year license is close to expiry. Any reason why you don't use a PPA or something to auto-release updates? I've postponed an update quite a few times because the friction of going to your website, downloading it, and then upgrading the package is just a bit too much in certain situations. Other than that my only gripe with the app is that I…

Hi! I'm glad to hear that! Regarding PPA etc I can't say for sure since I don't lead the app team and don't want to interrupt their work day. I'll relay your comment though. I hope that's OK.

Re: Latest Mozilla VPN features

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Post by Fergusonb »

acatton wrote: post #74

I genuinely don't understand what is the incentive for using Mozilla VPN? I'm a Mozilla and Firefox fanboy, but this new product had me sceptical since the beginning. They literally bring nothing to the table except their brand name. They don't even do the server side, but just resell Mullvad's infrastructure with their brand. I'm already a Mullvad customer, and if I were to switch to Mozilla VPN: * It would not be a…

If you're using mullvad you have likely already done a lot of research on which provider you want to use.

A lot of consumers are interested in a quality VPN but wouldn't do this kind of research.

Mozilla provide additional eyeballs and billing support, and mullvad provides the service itself. It's a mutually beneficial transaction.

They're not in competition for your money, they're targeting different demographics.

Re: Latest Mozilla VPN features

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Post by Cu3PO42 »

Black101 wrote: post #76
acatton wrote: post #74

I genuinely don't understand what is the incentive for using Mozilla VPN? I'm a Mozilla and Firefox fanboy, but this new product had me sceptical since the beginning. They literally bring nothing to the table except their brand name. They don't even do the server side, but just resell Mullvad's infrastructure with their brand. I'm already a Mullvad customer, and if I were to switch to Mozilla VPN: * It would not be a…

If Mullvad doesn't know who the customers are, that would be the only possible upside?

But they don't really know that anyway. Your account is just a number and when you mail cash you include a token that they can tie to your account number.

Obviously they could log your IP address (which they promise not to), but that's an issue even if you go through Mozilla to purchase the service.

Re: Latest Mozilla VPN features

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Post by baseballdork »

acatton wrote: post #74

I genuinely don't understand what is the incentive for using Mozilla VPN? I'm a Mozilla and Firefox fanboy, but this new product had me sceptical since the beginning. They literally bring nothing to the table except their brand name. They don't even do the server side, but just resell Mullvad's infrastructure with their brand. I'm already a Mullvad customer, and if I were to switch to Mozilla VPN: * It would not be a…

I was also a mullvad customer and wanted to switch to Mozilla VPN specifically because it seems to be one of the only ways to support the browser. At the time they didn't support linux at all, but someone wrote a tool[0] to squirt out the necessary configs to use with wg-quick. When I saw that, I pulled the trigger and haven't looked back.

[0] https://github.com/NilsIrl/MozWire

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