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Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20)

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Re: Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20)

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Post by truetraveller »

dang wrote: post #48
truetraveller wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a side note: YC encourages naughtiness. This may, on rare occasions, leak into practices that some consider "unethical". And it must be noted, the term "unethical" can be interpreted in so many different ways. PG said: "Startups often have to do slightly devious things". See https://techcrunch.com/2011/05/24/y-combinators-paul-graham-... Reddit used an "army of fake accounts" with no open objection from YC. Is thi…

YC does not go along with unethical practices. I'm not involved with that side of the business but they're serious about it and have disowned companies (by returning their investment and excluding them from the YC community) for being unethical. I'm confused about what the issue in this case is. It sounds like some people are complaining that the product isn't open source because it's not self-hostable, while the fou…

Agree with what you said. I do not want to paint YC and PG as unethical, that would be wrong. I've reworded. Thanks for the write-up.

Re: Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20)

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Post by cpursley »

smalltalks wrote: post #35
yclurker wrote: post #26

Supabase is NOT open source and it's Founders are highly unethical. Here’s why. We heavily rely both on postgres and Firebase. And when Supabase came as an “open source” Firebase alternative (also a YC company), naturally we were excited. However ever since the launch, time and again the community has kept asking for a self-hostable version to no avail. And community is requesting that since not all of Supabase is op…

Everything said above is true. Supabase started Open Source , their GitHub repo had tutorials on how to host the platform yourself with a bit of documentation. Basically from what I understood they've been growing SO FAST ( they raise 10+$M IIRC ) they had to make a choice between "Growth" or "Integrity". Obviously it's a YC company , the market they're going after is massive , they chose growth over integrity and do…

https://hasura.io/blog/firebase2graphql-moving-from-firebase...

Re: Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20)

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Post by patatino »

inian wrote: post #47
patatino wrote: post #44

Can I ditch uploadcare and use supabase storage when "CDN integration" and "Auto transformation & optimisation" are ready? Or does is not compare?

Yes, it is comparable. We will support all the basic transformations like resize, crop, rotate, etc. Advanced transformations like object detection is not in the immediate roadmap, unless there is demand for it. In terms of asset optimization, we are planning to go all out though. What features of Uploadcare are you using?

I do not need advanced transformations, just basic image uploading and displaying on my websites. The best feature for me is the react widget which I can quickly drop into my project and just be done with uploading. Maybe that would be a great feature in the supabase/ui project in the future.

Re: Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20)

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Post by eloff »

kiwicopple wrote: post #15
mateomorris wrote: post #11

Supabase has been better in every way than Firebase. Even if it wasn’t open source it would still be a better alternative. No-sql’s main (only?) appeal is approachability; Supabase makes relational data just as approachable while avoiding the ceiling that every Firebase project seems to hit. Plus its database UI is actually usable.

wow, that's a glowing recommendation. Thanks for the kind words. We have a long way to go to catch up with Firebase on most features, but of course we are benefiting from all the hard work that other OSS tools have already delivered. Postgres does most of the heavy-lifting, PostgREST is amazing, and Netlify's GoTrue server is a key piece of our architecture.

I'm curious about GoTrue, isn't that MySQL only? So do you guys run MySQL for the users database, or?

Re: Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20)

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Post by steve-chavez »

yclurker wrote: post #26

Supabase is NOT open source and it's Founders are highly unethical. Here’s why. We heavily rely both on postgres and Firebase. And when Supabase came as an “open source” Firebase alternative (also a YC company), naturally we were excited. However ever since the launch, time and again the community has kept asking for a self-hostable version to no avail. And community is requesting that since not all of Supabase is op…

> We use open source to build our software (hey nothing special here : bazillion companies do that)

That's not true. Supabase improves and builds the open source ecosystem it uses.

In the case of PostgREST, we've added performance improvements that could very well be in a private fork(which other companies have done), but Supabase, in the good spirit of open source, decided to make these changes upstream.

The same goes for realtime, the team has been improving its performance to an enterprise-grade and making all these changes open source.

Even the storage API[1] presented here is OSS.

I believe all of these efforts are a net win for the open source community at large. Zealotry doesn't help anyone.

[1]: https://github.com/supabase/storage-api

Re: Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20)

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Post by frakkingcylons »

yclurker wrote: post #26

Supabase is NOT open source and it's Founders are highly unethical. Here’s why. We heavily rely both on postgres and Firebase. And when Supabase came as an “open source” Firebase alternative (also a YC company), naturally we were excited. However ever since the launch, time and again the community has kept asking for a self-hostable version to no avail. And community is requesting that since not all of Supabase is op…

All of their code is available with OSI approved licenses. It’s factually open source.

You’re making huge mental leaps about their intentions. There’s no need for the vitriol by calling their team “highly unethical”.

Re: Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20)

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Post by clairity »

arcturus17 wrote: post #49
mateomorris wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you really care about open source software, as you seem to, you should know that attitudes and statements like this are just about the worst thing for it. Self-hosting isn’t the only benefit or purpose of OSS. It’s fair to point out that it isn’t easy to self-host, but consider doing it without being poisonous.

> Self-hosting isn’t the only benefit or purpose of OSS I would say that making self-hosting difficult is completely against the spirit of OSS. I certainly wouldn't expect an OSS technology to lock me in. At that point it just becomes a privative technology that builds upon open source and exposes its interfaces. And I say this as someone who very regularly makes strong cases for the hosted solution in a make vs. buy…

this is what soured me on piwik (now matomo) as a self-hosted web analytics solution. they allow you to self-host, but make it difficult to automate updates, to steer you to their hosting service instead.

Re: Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20)

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Post by tmpz22 »

dang wrote: post #48
truetraveller wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a side note: YC encourages naughtiness. This may, on rare occasions, leak into practices that some consider "unethical". And it must be noted, the term "unethical" can be interpreted in so many different ways. PG said: "Startups often have to do slightly devious things". See https://techcrunch.com/2011/05/24/y-combinators-paul-graham-... Reddit used an "army of fake accounts" with no open objection from YC. Is thi…

YC does not go along with unethical practices. I'm not involved with that side of the business but they're serious about it and have disowned companies (by returning their investment and excluding them from the YC community) for being unethical. I'm confused about what the issue in this case is. It sounds like some people are complaining that the product isn't open source because it's not self-hostable, while the fou…

Simply put it hits a nerve because the community is inundated by companies saying one thing and doing another when if they had just been straight forward in the first place it would have been no big deal. These one-off dramatic events (like Google shutting down a minor service) and comments (like "it's Founders are highly unethical") are often small-fries or based on weak and ineffective arguments. But they are straws on the camels back and the camel is overburdened like a Valheim character carrying too many items.

I believe accusations of YC being unethical is a secondary affect of this zeitgeist as well. Whether it's the musings of PG or a portfolio company that goes off the reservations on extremely rare occasion, people connect the dots back through YC and see some culpability - even if YC's influence over poor decisions of founders is non-existent or contextually irrelevant. YC is in the supply chain and comments like "Startups often have to do slightly devious things" do not help.

Granted its unfair for Supabase or YC to be smeared by the general discontent of parts of the community. However it's also true that they are in positions of leadership and privilege (and candidly also often multi-millionaires) and should expect some flak as a result.

I think all Supabase's CEO or PR person should do now is post a short timeline outlining Supabase's public statements of being a self-hostable product (or lack thereof), clearly define the company's position at the time of any statement(s), clearly define what their position is going forward, and make a brief show of humility and apologize for not being as clear as they could be to their users. Granted this takes time, and its a singular internet comment evoking the response - but it would negate the negative sentiment and provide a basis for defending against similar statements in the future.

Anyways, I won't miss the opportunity to thank you for the support and moderation you do for the community, its been a valuable resource for me and I hope my personal perspective contributes to the general conversation.

Re: Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20)

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Post by crubier »

zapita wrote: post #38
yclurker wrote: post #26

Supabase is NOT open source and it's Founders are highly unethical. Here’s why. We heavily rely both on postgres and Firebase. And when Supabase came as an “open source” Firebase alternative (also a YC company), naturally we were excited. However ever since the launch, time and again the community has kept asking for a self-hostable version to no avail. And community is requesting that since not all of Supabase is op…

Supabase is definitely open-source. To the founders of supabase: don’t let people like this deter you. Their misplaced anger and self-righteousness says more about them than it says about you. If your software is good, we will use it. If it’s not, we won’t. There’s no need for poisonous behavior either way.

Supabase dashboard (which is the core of the actual product, the rest being open source tools) isn't open source or self hostable.
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