'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter • Hacker News Board

Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

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Post by darkerside » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 7:50 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #72

darkerside wrote: post #19

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It is a way to indicate that you are not asserting the label, somebody else is. So it is actually a very useful way to indicate uncertainty. Amazon has deep pockets, and people don't want to be sued.

I wouldn't call that an expression of uncertainty, though. The fact that it is not clear who made the statement cannot be deduced from the quotes.

I'm not saying what you appear to think I am saying.

The author is making it clear that they are not the one who called the accounts fake. This implies uncertainty because if the accounts were objectively fake, there would be little need to add the quotation marks.

Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

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Post by gremlinsinc » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 7:51 PM UTC

hooande wrote: post #58

cecida wrote: post #43

Imagine being worth 185 billion dollars and still obsessing about your workers advocating for better pay and conditions? What a miserable existence that must be. Bezos has always struck me as a man who cares about nothing else only his own personal wealth and success. There is no joy in his life.

how would you respond if people said you were treating your employees unfairly? financial worth has nothing to do with it. if he feels that charge is untrue, he should push back against it. I would not be nearly as measured in my response. no sir, I am not the one

If people said that about me, I'd call off union vote, and just give the union "my blessing" no vote needed, in fact I'd encourage a union from day one for any business I start.

A union will not break Amazon, many companies with unions still are plenty profitable.

Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

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Post by SyzygistSix » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 7:53 PM UTC

ruste wrote: post #10

Is it possible this is some galaxy brain plan by those promoting amazon unions to undermine amazon's credibility?

Maybe I'm giving Amazon too much credit but I would think they would do a better job or more likely outsource this out to a group that would do a better job. And I'm on the side of the employees, hoping they unionize (effectively!).

I'd guess it's neither Amazon or pro-union employees but rather random people trying to make Amazon look bad.

Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

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Post by impendia » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 7:58 PM UTC

eeeeehhhhh wrote: post #152

taormina wrote: post #103

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https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-... This is a fantastic read.

I knew this was going to be posted. I've been thinking about this post for a decade now and I can't help but feel that, although it does reflect part of reality, the Gervais Principle is overly cynical in my opinion, and those who adopt the view will have it compounded by confirmation bias because it is partially true. The things described happen at toxic organizations but the author leaves no room for honest positiv…

> Where does that leave people like doctors who earnestly help their patients?

Not a doctor, but a college professor. I love my job, take pride in it, and work hard at it. But I think of myself as working for my students, my collaborators, and my immediate colleagues. I pay little attention to my university as a whole, don't view it especially positively, haven't learned how to work its bureaucracy, and feel little loyalty to the institution in general.

It seems that, according to the article, I'm a "loser". As such, "it is clear that I am an idiot". Probably true lol. But a fairly happy idiot.

Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

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Post by josefresco » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 7:58 PM UTC

edoceo wrote: post #241

josefresco wrote: post #80

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> how would you respond if people said you were treating your employees unfairly? Not sure how "richest man in the world" version of myself would react. Certainly I wouldn't use my corporate Twitter account to attack (badly) US politicians.

Yea, for all that money to spend on the attack, how'd they do such an obvious shit-job of it?

My theory is that it doesn't need to be high quality as the perception that Amazon is "fighting back" against corrupt politicians will still take.

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Post by merpnderp » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 7:59 PM UTC

skrtskrt wrote: post #238

gsk22 wrote: post #75

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Financial worth absolutely has to do with the fairness or lack thereof. Bezos has created nearly 200 billion dollars (!) of wealth for himself since founding Amazon, so debating the moral value of those gains in comparison to how everyday employees are compensated is well within reason. And if my employees said I was treating them unfairly, I would try to understand their perspective and make changes to improve worki…

> Bezos has created nearly 200 billion dollars (!) of wealth for himself Bezos' employees have created nearly 200 billion dollars of wealth for Bezos

Your implication is that Bezos was inconsequential to the creation of all that brand new wealth. Surely you don't actually believe that and this is just your ideological rhetoric to further your politicized beliefs?

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Post by cacarr » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 8:01 PM UTC

munk-a wrote: post #90

fipar wrote: post #39

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I agree on the need to educate people, but disagree on the age group criteria. I've met enough people under 40 who believe whatever they read online, especially if it confirms their existing set of beliefs.

I've found this very disturbing, the generation I grew up in might be the most tech literate but I think that's a false impression due to the friends that I've chosen. When I joined a guild in an MMO and got to see some truly random folks from other walks of life that was a fair bit eye opening. My concern about younger folks is that the world is shrinking as large corporations try and squeeze as much revenue as poss…

I think people conflate a high degree of modern GUI proficiency with general technical literacy.

I'm not sure kids who grew up with an iPad appliance are really more generally technically literate on average than GenXers who entertained themselves trying to write Choose You Own Adventure-type stories in BASIC on their Commodore 64s ... or who, at least, managed to get their pirated copy of Stellar 7 to run.

Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 8:04 PM UTC

jfk13 wrote: post #174

eeeeehhhhh wrote: post #152

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I knew this was going to be posted. I've been thinking about this post for a decade now and I can't help but feel that, although it does reflect part of reality, the Gervais Principle is overly cynical in my opinion, and those who adopt the view will have it compounded by confirmation bias because it is partially true. The things described happen at toxic organizations but the author leaves no room for honest positiv…

> although it does reflect part of reality, the Gervais Principle is overly cynical in my opinion Of course it is. That's what comedians do: they take something with enough basis in reality that people will recognise and identify with it, and then caricature and exaggerate it to extremes.

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Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

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Post by Loughla » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 8:05 PM UTC

disabled wrote: post #236

Loughla wrote: post #218

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Again, I agree with you. I do want to point out, though that those are not abstract concept or limited use cases. Any business, including competitive employment positions, can apply for that license, as long as they meet the parameters laid our in the law and regulation. I'm assuming that because of its size, Amazon would be excluded. Honestly, though, I am not familiar with the application process as we refuse to us…

> Maybe I'm being too pedantic. But honestly, the number of people who genuinely believe that they are entitled to get literally whatever they want however they want it, regardless of any other factor, simply because of their disability is just astounding. As I said, it's life-threatening, and I can assure you that autonomic dysreflexia is one of the worst feelings that one can go through as a human. This issue is so…

>This is about common decency and basic human rights, not about entitlement. The fact that you are conflating the right to use restroom (a basic human need), at a consistent, non-excessive time interval (so that I do not experience a life-threatening state) to be some sort of entitlement is absolutely ridiculous.

I really want to be clear. I am not doing that. I am genuinely not saying you are one of those people, and I apologize for my words if that's how it sounded. Your case sounds pretty straight forward - just make sure there's a bathroom somewhere close.

My experience is that many individuals in the disability world (keep in mind I work with youth and young adults and their parents/advocates) are very entitled. They believe there are no boundaries on what is an acceptable, and reasonable accommodation. That is what I was getting at.

That statement legitimately had nothing to do with you. It was a statement. I get defensive about this because I genuinely get sued three or four times a year for access complaints that are completely unfounded. I am a huge advocate for disability rights, and believe the current system of basic access is inadequate. But I am also sick of being accused of discrimination because I don't treat every individual that I work with like a small doll made of crystal.

Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

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Post by moate » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 8:12 PM UTC

pavel_lishin wrote: post #259

ActorNightly wrote: post #164

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Imagine building a company from the ground up that is succesfull solely because it produces a lot of value to people, and yet random people on the internet still think all you care about is hoarding money and think they can make better decisions than you. Here is the summary of the issue. Firstly, pre-pandemic, unemployment was at an alltime low (and its trending that way to as places are reopening), very close to fr…

> Unionization is messing with the free market Your conception of what "free market" means is wrong, and the thing you're imagining has never existed. Anyway, here's a few other things that mess with "the free market" as much as unionization: - Workplace safety laws - Environmental protection laws - Minimum wage laws - Accounting regulations

The idea that "workers can't band together to make demands" somehow is in opposition to "market forces" and not ITSELF a market force is how we got into this mess in the first place.

It's like saying "people are boycotting product x because they disagree with company policy" isn't allowed because "cancel culture is messing with the free market".