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Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

#71
No way a company with the resources of Amazon is using several day old twitter accounts with first google result profile pictures. This is the equivalent of someone spray painting "We hate workers! signed, Amazon" on a wall

I don't think even twitter can verify who made those accounts because it's so easy to vpn and use google voice numbers. You can choose what to believe, though

Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

#72
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quotes are not the appropriate tool to denote uncertainty.

It is a way to indicate that you are not asserting the label, somebody else is. So it is actually a very useful way to indicate uncertainty. Amazon has deep pockets, and people don't want to be sued.

I wouldn't call that an expression of uncertainty, though. The fact that it is not clear who made the statement cannot be deduced from the quotes.

Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

#73
post #8

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Disagreed. Authenticity is incompatible with Anonymity. All the surveillance companies would love to tell you you can authenticate your identity with them and be anonymous elsewhere, but they, and Governments, are the exact entities we should be hiding out identities from. People need to be trained to be skeptical of voices online.

Blockchain?

Assuming this is a genuine comment and not a troll, how would a blockchain solve authenticity? Never mind the fact that we already do have a way to verify authenticity in the form of digital signatures. The problem is: how do you know the signature signer is who they claim they are? The best solution we have to that is the “web of trust” and “key signing parties”[0]

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_signing_party

Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

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post #3

I feel like authenticity of online communication is an unsolved problem. The web was supposed to be a democratizing platform: all you need to communicate with the world is an ISP and a keyboard. But if there's no way to control for authenticity, online sentiment will just be an arms race for who can pay for the best astroturfing.

> But if there's no way to control for authenticity, online sentiment will just be an arms race for who can pay for the best astroturfing.

If you strike the word "online" this statement works for most of history.

The only things that have changed are the sheer scale, speed, and cost of it. We have small teams that can generate more noise than a nation state could have prayed for just a generation ago.. and they're doing it faster and cheaper than ever before.

Unfortunately, most of the proposed solutions - real names, verified identities, fighting "disinformation" - come with catastrophic downsides.

Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

#75
post #58
post #43

Imagine being worth 185 billion dollars and still obsessing about your workers advocating for better pay and conditions? What a miserable existence that must be. Bezos has always struck me as a man who cares about nothing else only his own personal wealth and success. There is no joy in his life.

how would you respond if people said you were treating your employees unfairly? financial worth has nothing to do with it. if he feels that charge is untrue, he should push back against it. I would not be nearly as measured in my response. no sir, I am not the one

Financial worth absolutely has to do with the fairness or lack thereof. Bezos has created nearly 200 billion dollars (!) of wealth for himself since founding Amazon, so debating the moral value of those gains in comparison to how everyday employees are compensated is well within reason.

And if my employees said I was treating them unfairly, I would try to understand their perspective and make changes to improve working conditions. But maybe that's why I'll never be a CEO.

Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

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Might be partially true but young people with no critical thinking skills fall for it just the same.

It's easy to knock people for 'lacking critical thinking' but the truth is we're all predisposed to believe what aligns with our personalities and worldviews. And people like to harp on the idea that we should be teaching critical thinking in schools, but we already do this and we have been teaching it for decades.

Googling for critical thinking curricula and high school district returns Henrico County (VA) on page 5 or 6.

One would think if it were integrated with other studies it would be mentioned somewhere other than Edutopia and Walden adverts.

Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

#78
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagreed. Authenticity is incompatible with Anonymity. All the surveillance companies would love to tell you you can authenticate your identity with them and be anonymous elsewhere, but they, and Governments, are the exact entities we should be hiding out identities from. People need to be trained to be skeptical of voices online.

Blockchain?

I don't know if this comment is sarcastic and I should up vote for it giving a good laugh, or my second realization that it might be serious and I just hold my head in my hands.

I swear I'm one step away from asking for a chili recipe and someone responding 'blockchain?'. It's beyond parody at this point - I feel like I'm in some Kafkaesque reality.

Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

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post #71

No way a company with the resources of Amazon is using several day old twitter accounts with first google result profile pictures. This is the equivalent of someone spray painting "We hate workers! signed, Amazon" on a wall I don't think even twitter can verify who made those accounts because it's so easy to vpn and use google voice numbers. You can choose what to believe, though

Unless they wanted to have evidence that they tried to do something about it (but in much smaller proportion to the accounts they let slip by)

Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

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post #58
post #43

Imagine being worth 185 billion dollars and still obsessing about your workers advocating for better pay and conditions? What a miserable existence that must be. Bezos has always struck me as a man who cares about nothing else only his own personal wealth and success. There is no joy in his life.

how would you respond if people said you were treating your employees unfairly? financial worth has nothing to do with it. if he feels that charge is untrue, he should push back against it. I would not be nearly as measured in my response. no sir, I am not the one

> how would you respond if people said you were treating your employees unfairly?

Not sure how "richest man in the world" version of myself would react. Certainly I wouldn't use my corporate Twitter account to attack (badly) US politicians.

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