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Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20)

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Re: Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20)

#41

Supabase is NOT open source and it's Founders are highly unethical. Here’s why. We heavily rely both on postgres and Firebase. And when Supabase came as an “open source” Firebase alternative (also a YC company), naturally we were excited. However ever since the launch, time and again the community has kept asking for a self-hostable version to no avail. And community is requesting that since not all of Supabase is op…

Can also attest to this. One of the companies I advise looked into them recently before realizing the “open source” is marketing folly. Quite disappointed in YC not doing their due diligence with them.

Re: Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20)

#42

Supabase is NOT open source and it's Founders are highly unethical. Here’s why. We heavily rely both on postgres and Firebase. And when Supabase came as an “open source” Firebase alternative (also a YC company), naturally we were excited. However ever since the launch, time and again the community has kept asking for a self-hostable version to no avail. And community is requesting that since not all of Supabase is op…

On a side note: YC encourages naughtiness. This may, on rare occasions, leak into practices that some consider "unethical". And it must be noted, the term "unethical" can be interpreted in so many different ways.

PG said: "Startups often have to do slightly devious things". See https://techcrunch.com/2011/05/24/y-combinators-paul-graham-...

Reddit used an "army of fake accounts" with no open objection from YC. Is this unethical? Depends who you ask. I personally think it is slightly unethical. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4139876

I can see their reasoining. Everyone does it. If they didn't do these practices, it would be a competitive disadvantage

Finally, I do not agree with the rude tone of parent comment. There's a way of addressing people. I want to thank the Supabase team for their fantastic work + insights. I realize their need to stay competitive. Perhaps they should instead say they are "Open Core", which will remove most criticism.

Re: Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20)

#43

Supabase is NOT open source and it's Founders are highly unethical. Here’s why. We heavily rely both on postgres and Firebase. And when Supabase came as an “open source” Firebase alternative (also a YC company), naturally we were excited. However ever since the launch, time and again the community has kept asking for a self-hostable version to no avail. And community is requesting that since not all of Supabase is op…

Can also attest to this. One of the companies I advise looked into them recently before realizing the “open source” is marketing folly. Quite disappointed in YC not doing their due diligence with them.

I'd be happy to chat to the this company to clear up any misconceptions. Is it because we have a hosted platform that they think we're not open source?

Our source code is available and permissively licensed in our github org: https://github.com/supabase, and we are very particular about picking MIT/Apache2/Postgres licensed tools for the stack.

Re: Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20)

#45

Supabase is NOT open source and it's Founders are highly unethical. Here’s why. We heavily rely both on postgres and Firebase. And when Supabase came as an “open source” Firebase alternative (also a YC company), naturally we were excited. However ever since the launch, time and again the community has kept asking for a self-hostable version to no avail. And community is requesting that since not all of Supabase is op…

Everything said above is true. Supabase started Open Source , their GitHub repo had tutorials on how to host the platform yourself with a bit of documentation. Basically from what I understood they've been growing SO FAST ( they raise 10+$M IIRC ) they had to make a choice between "Growth" or "Integrity". Obviously it's a YC company , the market they're going after is massive , they chose growth over integrity and do…

Why do you need a firebase clone? Can't you just use postgres the traditional way?

Re: Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20)

#46
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Supabase has been better in every way than Firebase. Even if it wasn’t open source it would still be a better alternative. No-sql’s main (only?) appeal is approachability; Supabase makes relational data just as approachable while avoiding the ceiling that every Firebase project seems to hit. Plus its database UI is actually usable.

When you say firebase, are you also referring to Firestore? Because Firestore is way more powerful.

Not even close to as powerful as postgres.

Re: Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20)

#47

Can I ditch uploadcare and use supabase storage when "CDN integration" and "Auto transformation & optimisation" are ready? Or does is not compare?

Yes, it is comparable. We will support all the basic transformations like resize, crop, rotate, etc. Advanced transformations like object detection is not in the immediate roadmap, unless there is demand for it. In terms of asset optimization, we are planning to go all out though.

What features of Uploadcare are you using?

Re: Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20)

#48

Supabase is NOT open source and it's Founders are highly unethical. Here’s why. We heavily rely both on postgres and Firebase. And when Supabase came as an “open source” Firebase alternative (also a YC company), naturally we were excited. However ever since the launch, time and again the community has kept asking for a self-hostable version to no avail. And community is requesting that since not all of Supabase is op…

On a side note: YC encourages naughtiness. This may, on rare occasions, leak into practices that some consider "unethical". And it must be noted, the term "unethical" can be interpreted in so many different ways. PG said: "Startups often have to do slightly devious things". See https://techcrunch.com/2011/05/24/y-combinators-paul-graham-... Reddit used an "army of fake accounts" with no open objection from YC. Is thi…

YC does not go along with unethical practices. I'm not involved with that side of the business but they're serious about it and have disowned companies (by returning their investment and excluding them from the YC community) for being unethical.

I'm confused about what the issue in this case is. It sounds like some people are complaining that the product isn't open source because it's not self-hostable, while the founders are saying that it both is open-source and self-hostable? This sounds like a misunderstanding to me.

Even if it's not a misunderstanding, but rather a difference of opinion about how words should be used, that's not likely really an ethical issue. Rather, the definition of 'open source' is a classic flamewar topic that people regularly post zealous denunications about (including fiery charges of unethicalness and the usual "you should be ashamed" etc.). Of course this is not helpful—it just leads to flamewars, which are off topic on HN, and makes clear communication harder.

It does seem like "open core" is emerging as a term for startups that have open-sourceiness in some sense but not in every sense. That's one way to short-circuit flamewars and we've helped at least a couple YC startups launch themselves that way. But I don't know if it would be a solution in the present case because I don't understand what the issue really is.

(I'm not saying any of this because I think you personally need to hear it! I'm just posting it here out of caution, because if I jump into the argument directly, people will accuse me of putting a moderator thumb on the scale. We have to moderate HN less, not more, when a YC startup is involved: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...)

Re: Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20)

#49

Supabase is NOT open source and it's Founders are highly unethical. Here’s why. We heavily rely both on postgres and Firebase. And when Supabase came as an “open source” Firebase alternative (also a YC company), naturally we were excited. However ever since the launch, time and again the community has kept asking for a self-hostable version to no avail. And community is requesting that since not all of Supabase is op…

If you really care about open source software, as you seem to, you should know that attitudes and statements like this are just about the worst thing for it. Self-hosting isn’t the only benefit or purpose of OSS. It’s fair to point out that it isn’t easy to self-host, but consider doing it without being poisonous.

> Self-hosting isn’t the only benefit or purpose of OSS

I would say that making self-hosting difficult is completely against the spirit of OSS.

I certainly wouldn't expect an OSS technology to lock me in. At that point it just becomes a privative technology that builds upon open source and exposes its interfaces.

And I say this as someone who very regularly makes strong cases for the hosted solution in a make vs. buy scenarios, and would therefore probably argue to pay for Supabase hosting instead of complicating everyone's lives in my organization.

Re: Storage is now available in Supabase (YC S20)

#50
post #24

Supabase has been better in every way than Firebase. Even if it wasn’t open source it would still be a better alternative. No-sql’s main (only?) appeal is approachability; Supabase makes relational data just as approachable while avoiding the ceiling that every Firebase project seems to hit. Plus its database UI is actually usable.

When you say firebase, are you also referring to Firestore? Because Firestore is way more powerful.

"Powerful" maybe for the pub/sub capabilities that allow you to trigger actions on write and whatnot?

I don't know if Supabase has this, but at any rate I don't find anything else about Firestore "powerful", it's just a NoSQL database with all the pitfalls of NoSQL, a more limited API than MongoDB, a terrible data explorer UI, and very limited local capabilities...

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