And no mention of the unreciprocated romantic interest, which to me is the most interesting facet of their relationship.
On Norbert Wiener's Relationship with Bertrand Russell
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#32Unrelated but this is Norbert’s account of meeting Albert Einstein: http://web.archive.org/web/20150426074612/https://libraries....
Renewed war in Europe, he predicted, would pass the "leadership of civilization...to America and ultimately to Asia."
Said Mr. Einstein in 1925. He was right.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
You misspoke then? It would be useful to clarify as you've essentially just accused him of racism and its not clear that you acknowledge that accusation was incorrect or at least unevidenced here.
Not at all. Anyone with a passing interest would be aware. As I stated, as the gist of the early posts mentioned Russell being a man of principles, it is always worth reminding ourselves no one is perfect. NB I now see the wording of my post could be read as 'here is a post concerning race'. But I should have separated the first line from the rest of the post; the 'gem' I was referring to was the original post.
Dude, you basically called Russell a racist and when you got called out on it, you didn't retract.
Please have the decency to retract or provide some kind of source for your claims. I don't recall anything I've read of Russell showing any element of racism or sympathy towards it.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not at all. Anyone with a passing interest would be aware. As I stated, as the gist of the early posts mentioned Russell being a man of principles, it is always worth reminding ourselves no one is perfect. NB I now see the wording of my post could be read as 'here is a post concerning race'. But I should have separated the first line from the rest of the post; the 'gem' I was referring to was the original post.
Dude, you basically called Russell a racist and when you got called out on it, you didn't retract. Please have the decency to retract or provide some kind of source for your claims. I don't recall anything I've read of Russell showing any element of racism or sympathy towards it.
Russell's eugenics notes are very well known.
Read my posts again, what you are accusing me of is utterly missing - I'm insulted, however I will not be making any threats to those ignorant of history.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Dude, you basically called Russell a racist and when you got called out on it, you didn't retract. Please have the decency to retract or provide some kind of source for your claims. I don't recall anything I've read of Russell showing any element of racism or sympathy towards it.
Russell's eugenics notes are very well known. Read my posts again, what you are accusing me of is utterly missing - I'm insulted, however I will not be making any threats to those ignorant of history.
"Read my posts again, what you are accusing me of is utterly missing"
he misstepped on race, perhaps (kindly) an indication of the sheer engrained blanket racism still prevalent
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Russell's eugenics notes are very well known. Read my posts again, what you are accusing me of is utterly missing - I'm insulted, however I will not be making any threats to those ignorant of history.
"Read my posts again, what you are accusing me of is utterly missing" he misstepped on race, perhaps (kindly) an indication of the sheer engrained blanket racism still prevalent
My stating Russell flirted with eugenics need not be apologised for. Are you saying I am wrong, and that Russell did not show an interest?
Given the current toxic 'quick to judge' forum behaviour on the internet, it is almost certain a latter-day Russell would not have been allowed to continue his work and thoughts in public, as your mischaracterisation of my post shows.
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#37Norbert Weiner is a standout of modern computing/mathematics because he took a principled stand on the consequences of his research, and decided to move fields because he didn't want his work to directly relate to military applications. There are very few people of his standing in science at that time, and I believe since, with the fortitude to resist temptation to take the high paying gig despite the moral implicati…
Do you have a source for this? I have been reading a fair amount on information theory, cybernetics, and Wiener lately, and I haven’t seen this mentioned, at least not yet. In fact, the sources I’ve read said he was quite enthusiastic about helping out for both WWI and WWII. For example: https://www.cantorsparadise.com/the-absent-minded-father-of-...
This was postwar. Like many scientists, He viewed the second world war as a "just" war, but the cold-war? less so.
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#38Norbert Weiner is a standout of modern computing/mathematics because he took a principled stand on the consequences of his research, and decided to move fields because he didn't want his work to directly relate to military applications. There are very few people of his standing in science at that time, and I believe since, with the fortitude to resist temptation to take the high paying gig despite the moral implicati…
He did take that stance later in life but he started his work in cybernetics in a project intended to improve anti-aircraft targeting during WWII.
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#39So it's about what Russell, Wiener and Wittgenstein though of each other. Hard to get excited by the details of their personal relationships when the subject that brought them together is fascinating, but almost ignored.
Would have been interested in the specific insights that affected the work of each other (beyond Logicism and Platonic Realism).
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you have a source for this? I have been reading a fair amount on information theory, cybernetics, and Wiener lately, and I haven’t seen this mentioned, at least not yet. In fact, the sources I’ve read said he was quite enthusiastic about helping out for both WWI and WWII. For example: https://www.cantorsparadise.com/the-absent-minded-father-of-...
This was postwar. Like many scientists, He viewed the second world war as a "just" war, but the cold-war? less so.
Gotcha. Thanks for the time period reference, as I haven't gotten to sources that cover that yet.