The citizens of China are only tolerating the CCP due to continuing growth. When the economic benefits stop rolling, people will start speaking up against the tyranny. Hopefully this happens before it's too late.
China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
It would most likely not be a very short war if the people of Taiwan are serious about their independence. What's an embargo really going to do? Piss off the whole world and create a shitload of sanctions on China. Taiwan is not a city state. They'd be devastated economically, but they'd survive for a good while. Taiwan is now building their own long range missiles to enable them to counter-attack strategic locations…
You’ve summed it up well. But, I still think Taiwan is next. China has been getting more and more aggressive there. A friend of mine lives in Taiwan, and told me that the Chinese have sent fighter jets deeper and deeper into the island’s airspace of late. The US will make a lot of noise, but I’m going to say there’d be no hot war between the US and China. Also, I suspect the PRC will do a fair bit of soft work before…
Pro-PRC activism is so dead that even anti-CCP activism in the form of the KMT is starting to look on life support.
Yeah, there's media organisations that have ties with the PRC and CCP. There's businesspeople that do. But the population at large is more and more that of the fiercely sovereign independent nation of Taiwan.
Saying Taiwan is an independent country would "hurt the feelings of the Chinese people" is more and more like saying Austria is an independent country would "hurt the feelings of the German people".
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#123I m in HK and I don't know what to think. Between protestors destroying the streets like monkeys and the country punishing everyone using this as an excuse, we're well surrounded :D Hong Kong shouldn't be independent but is China the right country for us, is how I jokingly troll both extremes. End of the day nobody cares, we're still discussing who elect the mayor of the city and people are talking like we're losing…
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was part of China during the Qing dynasty since 1750. They declared independence in 1913 after the fall of the Qing but it was not recognized by the Chinese Republican govt. The PRC re-annexed it in 1951.
By that argument the UK could re annex parts of France and the USA. And Italy could take back large chunks of the near east.
Calais was lost in 1558 and UK monarch stopped using the title "King Of France" in 1800 so it is a settled issue.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
If my friends are any indication, most would be hesitant to move to the US due to physical safety issues in American streets.
Please don't believe in media sensationalism. Yes, covid brought us an increase in violence, but that was simply relative to numbers that have been declining for decades. I'm not saying that we shouldn't keep improving this in the US, but it's still an extremely safe place. Also, most of the physical violence in the US is restricted to specific cities or areas within larger cities which you should generally be able t…
That's incorrect, a misleading exaggeration. In any ranking about safety, it does not occupy the extreme end, but around the median or average.
It would be accurate to say that the US, in the international comparison, is at best a somewhat safe place.
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#126I've personally started to avoid China as much as possible. I know it's hard but if world leaders won't strike, citizens must do their part. Buy local/non-chinese and avoid their products. This is the best way to strike them. The citizens of China are only tolerating the CCP due to continuing growth. When the economic benefits stop rolling, people will start speaking up against the tyranny. Hopefully this happens bef…
No they won't. They've been gaslit, backed by the supposed evidence of thousands of years of history, that they themselves, though more so the uneducated rural population, are a violent, vindictive, power-hungry sort and that any overthrow would cost millions and millions of lives... and thus make the economy worse. And the gaslighting will only get stronger should the economy ever go south.
I mean, Hong Kong is the greatest thing that could happen to them. People in Hong Kong a bit upset with the Communist Party? Massive civil unrest in Hong Kong, helped of course by foreign agitators (see "Century of Humiliation" for that narrative). No way do we want that in China, no siree!
Put the violent mobs on every front page in China. The situation in Hong Kong is one of the best things that could ever possibly happen to the CCP. Does it matter whether there's provocateurs? Does it matter if there's foreign agitators for real? Not one bit. All you need is pictures of things on fire or teargas and the CCP rules for another decade through the stability it and so many preceding dynasties represented.
Does it matter if any of it is true? Of course not.
Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law
#127I m in HK and I don't know what to think. Between protestors destroying the streets like monkeys and the country punishing everyone using this as an excuse, we're well surrounded :D Hong Kong shouldn't be independent but is China the right country for us, is how I jokingly troll both extremes. End of the day nobody cares, we're still discussing who elect the mayor of the city and people are talking like we're losing…
> start discussing how we elect the president of our country lmao
>lmao
Shill logic is always easy to spot xD and its always hilarious.
Is HN so mainstream that political bot are sent to spam their propaganda here?
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#128People have never been china, talks like a china/CCP expert.
All right, how about this. Instead of parroting a common nationalist talking point (that is common across the globe) that is little more than a knee-jerk reaction to allow for blanket dismissal of criticism, how about you raise the level of the discussion by naming a set of experts on the PRC with a variety of positive/negative perspectives that you do recognise as qualified to speak on this subject?
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was part of China during the Qing dynasty since 1750. They declared independence in 1913 after the fall of the Qing but it was not recognized by the Chinese Republican govt. The PRC re-annexed it in 1951.
By that argument the UK could re annex parts of France and the USA. And Italy could take back large chunks of the near east.
This applies to both the rationalisation of Tibet belonging to China, and for not belonging.