China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law • Hacker News Board

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by eloisius » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:47 AM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #28

sterlind wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taiwan will be a bigger deal geopolitically. PRC has no claim to Taiwan that's recognized by the broader international community (outside China's sphere of influence, anyway.) Under Westphalian rules Hong Kong is seen as an internal matter, but Taiwan would be a straight-up war. Plus it would absolutely wreck the semiconductor industry worldwide to lose TSMC.

> Taiwan would be a straight-up war That will be shortest war ever. If China does an embargo on Taiwan and encircles it, there's nothing that Taiwan could do in the long run. They will be forced to negotiate. And you can bet the US has no intention to intervene.

Keep in mind that regardless of who was in power, style of government, and everything else, Japan and China have antagonized each other for about 800 years. Japan is a net importer of food and raw materials. Taiwan sits in the middle of important shipping routes. Letting China take Taiwan would be national suicide for Japan.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by ngcc_hk » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:48 AM UTC

If china can get away with it, just like if Burma/Myanmar army can get away with its ...

Anyway it has been so for several thousands years of totalitarian rules. There is no way out of that horrible culture. Hong Kong showed them a more liberal way of life. Taiwan showed them the more Democratic way of life. Instead they choose to use power and a system with no succession rule. It is karma of that culture. An ever looping of bad luck, prosperity then chaos.

Cry my beloved city.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by pjc50 » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:49 AM UTC

TakuYam wrote: post #22

tibbydudeza wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if you have millions , they are definitely not interested in poor HK folk that are living in cage homes.

Wasn’t the offer PM Johnson made to HKer’s without any wealth/asset caveats?

https://www.gov.uk/british-national-overseas-bno-visa/how-mu...

The Home Office never does anything without wealth caveats and significant fees.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by shanghaikid » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:51 AM UTC

L-four wrote: post #72

shanghaikid wrote: post #44

People have never been china, talks like a china/CCP expert.

China/CCP isn't exactly friendly to foreigners. It's near impossible to become a Chinese citizen.

You can travel there, talk to people, look use your own eyes.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by quink » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:51 AM UTC

xwolfi wrote: post #4

I m in HK and I don't know what to think. Between protestors destroying the streets like monkeys and the country punishing everyone using this as an excuse, we're well surrounded :D Hong Kong shouldn't be independent but is China the right country for us, is how I jokingly troll both extremes. End of the day nobody cares, we're still discussing who elect the mayor of the city and people are talking like we're losing…

> destroying the streets like monkeys

And from an NPR interview covering the book 'Less Than Human'

> Nazis referred to Jews as rats.

> Hutus involved in the Rwanda genocide called Tutsis cockroaches.

> Slave owners throughout history considered slaves subhuman animals

Dehumanisation. It's so frequently accompanied by dehumanisation.

You are truly intolerable, in the exact Karl Popper sense and we shouldn't tolerate a word you say.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by ngcc_hk » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:51 AM UTC

quink wrote: post #78

mimikatz wrote: post #67

America should allow open immigration from Hong Kong for a year. China by all rights has a claim to the land. But the people who want freedom should have it and we should take them in.

> China by all rights has a claim to the land Huh? The people of Hong Kong have a claim to the land of Hong Kong. The people of I don't know, Shanghai have a claim to the land of Shanghai. The People's Republic of China doesn't even "by all rights" have a claim to the mainland. They do have de facto control. They have de jure control in the broad international view. The don't "by all rights" have control over anythin…

Human rights are human rights. It is land but the humans we are talk about here. Just like U and M people. When is chinese communist elected and when is Myanmar army elected.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by learnstats2 » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:52 AM UTC

mimikatz wrote: post #67

America should allow open immigration from Hong Kong for a year. China by all rights has a claim to the land. But the people who want freedom should have it and we should take them in.

The UK has already allowed open immigration from Hong Kong, specifically in response to the Chinese National Security Law, but I'm not sure that this is really any solution.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by justsayinstuff » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:52 AM UTC

quink wrote: post #78

mimikatz wrote: post #67

America should allow open immigration from Hong Kong for a year. China by all rights has a claim to the land. But the people who want freedom should have it and we should take them in.

> China by all rights has a claim to the land Huh? The people of Hong Kong have a claim to the land of Hong Kong. The people of I don't know, Shanghai have a claim to the land of Shanghai. The People's Republic of China doesn't even "by all rights" have a claim to the mainland. They do have de facto control. They have de jure control in the broad international view. The don't "by all rights" have control over anythin…

Might makes right

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by ChemSpider » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:53 AM UTC

Stevvo wrote: post #34

hntroll666 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do I mean by invade? Simply ask anyone in Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, or Taiwan, if they want mainland Chinese there, or if they want to be governed by the CCP. I accept that territory is won or lost, and the Tibetans and Uyghurs lost their territory, but they were definitely invaded and conquered.

I have asked many people in those regions excluding Xinjiang, and the answers are never as black and white as the narratives you read online. In Tibet, people were not too happy about the military presence on the streets, the cultural assimilation or the mao statue in the shadow of Potala palace, but on balance are were happy to be part of China due to the economic development. People felt they would be unemployed wi…

Well, if you are correct, the CCP could/would organize a public vote in Tibet and Hongkong, just like France did in New Caledonia. That is how you handle such a question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_New_Caledonian_independen...

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by woutr_be » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:53 AM UTC

tibbydudeza wrote: post #39

TakuYam wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn’t the offer PM Johnson made to HKer’s without any wealth/asset caveats?

It seems to be a moot point now - China simply refused to recognize a BNO passport as a legal document so you can't leave.

Most BNO holders also hold either a HK passport or HKID, making it possible to leave in either way. China (and HK) not recognizing the BNO passport doesn't really change much for most people. I do believe there was a story here lately about some people only holding a BNO passport, not sure how that would work out for them.