China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law • Hacker News Board

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by fat-chunk » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:24 AM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #27

fat-chunk wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can all disapprove of what the current CCP is doing, but you cannot compare Hong Kong's situation to Taiwan, Tibet or Xinjiang, in fact you're muddling a bunch of completely different situations. Hong Kong has historically always been a part of "China", you could say it was "invaded" by the British and then the Japanese during WW2. I obviously disapprove of the suppression of the HK populace with force, but this i…

> Hong Kong has historically always been a part of "China", you could say it was "invaded" by the British and then the Japanese during WW2. Who cares about History? What matters is now and what people want now. If not, you could use that excuse "but X was always part of Y" to justify just about everything.

Well geopolitics is simply not that simple. What if the Chinese government kept telling the USA that california should hold an independence referendum? Might sound like a stupid example, but Americans would be up in arms at such a proposition. What if China told the USA to end the trade blockade on Cuba so that they fairly take part in the global economy and climb out of poverty? Again, the USA would never consider such a proposition.

The reality is we don't know how many HK residents want to be independent. Ideally they could hold an independence referendum, but the Chinese government don't want that, and due to the geopolitical tensions in the world right now they're not going to take advice from Western nations.

You could make the same argument to the UK about Wales and Scotland, or Spain with Catalunia and the Basque Country. Neither government is going to let a referendum happen for quite a while.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by tommica » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:24 AM UTC

nathanyukai wrote: post #36

3np wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "undoubtedly belong to China" is the narrative from the CCP and not shared by many, especially peoples living in and native to those regions.

"especially peoples living in and native to those regions." lol, check American history please.

Yeah, it's quite a shitty history, as is what CCP is doing

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by pyinstallwoes » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:25 AM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #35

BossingAround wrote: post #23

I wanted to write "sad day for Hong Kong", but I realized it's been more like a sad year and a half for HK, if not longer. One wonders how long can CCP keep doing the same thing again and again. I guess we shall see. My heart goes to those in HK.

> I wanted to write "sad day for Hong Kong", but I realized it's been more like a sad year and a half for HK, if not longer. Unfortunately the west stopped caring HK right as the COVID19 situation started, and barely got any press since then.

The timing, just a coincidence some say.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by tidenly » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:25 AM UTC

gfaure wrote: post #42

fat-chunk wrote: post #25

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It's really sad to see that even hacker news has now been plagued by sinophobic racism

Don't confuse anti-PRC sentiment with anti-Chinese sentiment. It is a classic strategy to conveniently conflate the two only when the CPC is being criticised.

Surely you should be aiming this at the person who said "Even chinese don't want to be Chinese" - conflating the two, and not the person pointing out how incorrect that statement sounds.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by hrktb » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:25 AM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #35

BossingAround wrote: post #23

I wanted to write "sad day for Hong Kong", but I realized it's been more like a sad year and a half for HK, if not longer. One wonders how long can CCP keep doing the same thing again and again. I guess we shall see. My heart goes to those in HK.

> I wanted to write "sad day for Hong Kong", but I realized it's been more like a sad year and a half for HK, if not longer. Unfortunately the west stopped caring HK right as the COVID19 situation started, and barely got any press since then.

I don’t know how most people view it, but caring for the people in HK became for me a plea for them to get out, because there seems to be no way left for them to keep integrity while still living in their home.

Following the events was sheer pain, and at some point you have to cut the stream because it really was despair pouring in news after news.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by snakeboy » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:27 AM UTC

fat-chunk wrote: post #25

nuller wrote: post #24

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Just let the HK people decide. You know thats not going to happen because noone wants to be Chinese. Even the fucking Chinese dont want to be Chinese.

It's really sad to see that even hacker news has now been plagued by sinophobic racism

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by Bellamy » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:27 AM UTC

nathanyukai wrote: post #36

3np wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "undoubtedly belong to China" is the narrative from the CCP and not shared by many, especially peoples living in and native to those regions.

"especially peoples living in and native to those regions." lol, check American history please.

Hehe, good one.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by alau1218 » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:28 AM UTC

BossingAround wrote: post #23

I wanted to write "sad day for Hong Kong", but I realized it's been more like a sad year and a half for HK, if not longer. One wonders how long can CCP keep doing the same thing again and again. I guess we shall see. My heart goes to those in HK.

The liberal open Hong Kong we used to know has died in 2020, the year they passed the national security law. Elites and professionals in Hong Kong are thinking where to move their families to and those chose to stay have to accept they are now no difference than an ordinary mainland Chinese citizen. CCP did not and will not keep any of their promises. All the Sino-UK agreement and the promise of 'One country Two systems' are simply jokes to CCP.

The world needs to realize the CCP is a truly evil party and if let uncountered, it would eventually engulf the whole liberal, democratic western socieites.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by pyinstallwoes » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:29 AM UTC

tidenly wrote: post #48

nuller wrote: post #24

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Just let the HK people decide. You know thats not going to happen because noone wants to be Chinese. Even the fucking Chinese dont want to be Chinese.

Maybe my experience is limited as I only live in a neighboring country, but the majority of Chinese I know here, and those I have met in China identify strongly as Chinese, even if they dont agree with everything the government does. This take seems borderline sinophobic.

It relates to what I heard in Taiwain (obviously from a biased leaning). But it's not sinophobic from my perspective, let me explain:

From the perspective of some people I talked to in Taiwan, they see it as they "saved" what Chinese culture is, and what China represents today isn't "Chinese culture."

That may not even be the right way to describe it but essentially there's culture vs government as the issue and they're not the same thing. A big fear of the non CCP people's I talked to is that CCP is destroying Chinese culture and that means they aren't Chinese.

Again, just trying to add some color to what I can identify. I rather add color than blur the lines.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by jariel » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:29 AM UTC

nuller wrote: post #24

fat-chunk wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can all disapprove of what the current CCP is doing, but you cannot compare Hong Kong's situation to Taiwan, Tibet or Xinjiang, in fact you're muddling a bunch of completely different situations. Hong Kong has historically always been a part of "China", you could say it was "invaded" by the British and then the Japanese during WW2. I obviously disapprove of the suppression of the HK populace with force, but this i…

Just let the HK people decide. You know thats not going to happen because noone wants to be Chinese. Even the fucking Chinese dont want to be Chinese.

Hong Kong wants to be 'Chinese' just not PRC.