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Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Post by ceejayoz »

EricE wrote: post #417
ceejayoz wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, he really wasn't. In 2016 he was one of the most optimistic of the major poll aggregators on Trump's chances; he had Trump at 30% when others had him at much lower odds. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-fivethirtyeight-gav... > Our final forecast, issued early Tuesday evening, had Trump with a 29 percent chance of winning the Electoral College.1 By comparison, other models tracked by The New York Times pu…

Lol - quoting himself to back up his performance? How about linking to others and not him defending his performance. Of course he’s going to have excuses. Live a little and maybe even pick sources that might not align politically with you too for an alternate POV. Prevents “surprises”. Because as someone with no love lost on either party the election results were not a surprise - you just have to look across all sour…

You're most welcome to "link to others" so we can discuss their specific critiques.

The "aggregate the polls" approach appears to have called 48/50 races correctly, so I'm fairly comfortable with it.

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Post by dang »

EricE wrote: post #230

“ Oil prices remained volatile, however, amid concerns to the time it may take to clear the almost 500 ship backlog and expectations that OPEC members will hold their production cut agreement in place following their monthly meeting in Vienna later this week.” Such a perfect time for Democrats to play politics with energy. Wheee! Everyone get ready to bend over.

Please don't take HN threads into partisan flamewar.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26621850.

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Post by jtwaleson »

jtwaleson wrote: post #363

Interesting. If I see correctly on https://www.vesselfinder.com/ there are three big ships going into the canal north to south now. Seems a bit inefficient! To speak in TCP terms, they should increase their window size!

I take that back, that was just for a couple of minutes. The windows size is actually huge!

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Post by onei »

InitialLastName wrote: post #408
onei wrote: post #334

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It's a lot further to dig, but the next best thing would be to dig from the Persian gulf through Iraq, Syria and probably Lebanon. Not forgetting half the Persian Gulf is Iran. It's not exactly the most stable geopolitical area.

A quick look suggests that the Tigris is mostly navigable up to Baghdad, which would get you halfway there. As an alternative (and ignoring the obviously substantial geopolitical concerns), is there a geographic reason not to dig a canal on the other side of the Sinai from, say, Aqaba to Rafah? If you had to dig that far, it would seem to be the next best option.

It's kind of hard to tell, but it looks like the Suez canal was on super flat land and I recall most of Sinai is desert. The Israel-Egypt border doesn't look that flat based on the colouring on the leading image of [1].

1. https://www.npr.org/2007/06/04/10619929/six-day-war-shaping-...

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Post by berkes »

MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #409
Genghis_Dong wrote: post #395

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Boskalis Peter Berdowski said it wans't a very hard job technically on Dutch television. Just the scale and impact were huge.

It's like the guy at a bar who tells you he knows how to swordfight after doing fencing. I'm sure he's right but it just funny from an official with experience basically saying "it wasn't that hard."

Boskalis is the company who brought the tugboats, engineers, diggers and whatnot over there in days. This is not a random guy commenting. This is an end-boss in charge of the entire operation.

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Post by sidpatil »

throwawayfire wrote: post #355
chipsambos wrote: post #179

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Agree it's incalculable, I don't mean that in the "it's too big of a number" sort of way but in the "we can't possibly know" kind of way: 1) The scale and depth of the disruption makes it impractical to figure in any kind of accurate way and 2) The disruption will have introduced hypotheticals that nay spiral out themselves (butterfly effect style) e.g. some retailer may have lost a customer who went elsewhere, some…

> The disruption will have introduced hypotheticals In general, temporary disruption has some long-term positive economic effects (which is directly why 'disruption' is valued in Silicon Valley). For example, during London Tube Strikes, commuters find different and more efficient routes and 5% ended up permanently changing their route on public transport: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/tube-strike..…

This reminds me of annealing, and why it's implemented as a technique for finding optima.

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superjan wrote: post #413
exikyut wrote: post #90

Oh hey, they fixed it, - without destroying or imposing significant additional damage to any of the cargo - without destroying or imposing significant additional damage to the ship - without taking multiple weeks - without needing to ship a trillion dollars'+ worth of equipment halfway around the world It's refreshing to see high-end engineering performed so competently.

What I wonder about: how is such a rescue contract negotiated? There is likely willingness to pay, but it is difficult to judge what a reasonable price is, and it may not even be clear who is culpable in advance. Do they have contracts in advance with the shipping companies?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_salvage#Types_of_salvag...:

In contract salvage the owner of the property and salvor enter into a salvage contract prior to the commencement of salvage operations and the amount that the salvor is paid is determined by the contract. This can be a fixed amount, based on a "time and materials" basis, or any other terms that both parties agree to. The contract may also state that payment is only due if the salvage operation is successful (a.k.a. "No Cure, No Pay"), or that payment is due even if the operation is not successful. By far the commonest single form of salvage contract internationally is Lloyd's Standard Form of Salvage Agreement (2011), an English law arbitration agreement administered by the Council of Lloyd's, London.

That Lloyd’s contract (https://www.lloyds.com/~/media/files/the%20market/tools%20an...) is concise (2 pages).

It may incorporate the SCOPIC clause (https://www.lloyds.com/resources-and-services/lloyds-agency/...), but that doesn’t seem long, either, even including its appendices.

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