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Amazon driver quits over AI-powered safety cameras in delivery vehicles

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Post by tomhoward »

bobmaxup wrote: post #61
tomhoward wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Driver fatigue is an issue for freight companies of all sizes, everywhere, and use of amphetamines to stay awake has been a frequent practice among many drivers for a long time. This is a freight industry issue, not an Amazon issue.

> This is a freight industry issue, not an Amazon issue. This review I linked here says: Individual characteristics were mainly associated with alcohol consumption while poor working conditions were mostly associated with amphetamine intake So, I don't think that narrative necessarily lines up with available evidence.

How does your quote or anything else in the study contradict my statement?

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Post by FearlessNebula »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #51

Well, this system will at least make it harder for Amazon to deny knowing their drivers are peeing in bottles and pooping in bags. I also can't blame the drivers for not wanting those acts immortalized.

A buddy of mine has an ostomy pouch and Amazon won't stop sending him job offers. Apparently they love employees who pee and or poop in bags...

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

brtkdotse wrote: post #48
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #46

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The car itself tells you when it expects you to buckle up by beeping annoyingly, so it sounds like beating this method just requires the little bit of discipline to unbuckle your “phantom buckle” every time you get out of the car.

At that point it’s just childish defiance. Just wear the damn belt, it saves lives!

Oh no contest from me - I’m just telling you what I’ve seen in the wild :) also I don’t think it’s about saving time, but about the seatbelt being uncomfortable over long periods (observed this with taxi drivers who are behind the wheel a lot - another thing I’ve seen is, they buckle up when entering the highway, unbuckle when exiting into a residential neighbourhood - police presence and fines for not having the seat belt on are tougher on the highway. At this point they are actually wasting time vs. just leaving the seat belt on all the time, so it must be because of the discomfort... I guess)

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Post by eth0up »

My suggestion, especially to those who strongly advocate such surveillance, is that those who support or implement it should be under an even greater measure of surveillance. A live feed of their activities 24/7 is necessary due to their participation and effecting in a tentative, unprecedented surveillance state where the watched would be extremely foolish not to keep an unblinking eye on the watchers, who bear the brunt of responsibility. It should not stop there either; any form of personal information not legally protected should be made readily and easily available. That which is protected, should be lobbied to be public.

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Post by throwaway316943 »

dudul wrote: post #66
Kye wrote: post #27

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Even the screens in 1984 couldn't be monitored all the time. Somehow reality keeps becoming worse than fiction.

1984 is already one of the most terrifying books I've read, I can't imagine what it would have been if Orwell had foreseen the emergence of AI/ML technologies.

We need a follow up book, 2084. Maybe the vid screens are permanently strapped to your face and actively monitor you and act as an intermediary between you and your environment in order to prevent any anti party information from getting in.

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Post by ctdonath »

ashaikh wrote: post #41

I don’t think the systems are new or unique. We test drive a Kia last weekend and it was a feature they called “Driver Attention Warning.” I’ve seen this in other brands and cars as well. It looks like these systems use a variety of factors, steering patterns, frequency of vehicle lane assist being activated, cameras evaluating driver, biometrics (heart rate, body temperature etc.), and face monitoring/eye tracking (…

Consumer Reports made these a major factor in rating driver-assist systems, undermining Tesla’s Autopilot rating because it doesn’t actively look at the driver.

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Post by throwaway316943 »

agsamek wrote: post #39
eloisant wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having cctv in a factory is one thing, having one camera pointed to the face of each employee with AI to detect what they're doing is something else.

And what about having cctv on every work station in a factory? This is regularly used in a high cost scenarios for quality assurance/tracking. And it will be used much more when technology is cheaper / easier to deploy. Is this kind of supervision ok?

What is the fundamental problem it is trying to fix? Does it work? Can it be done better by other means?

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Post by iamacyborg »

agsamek wrote: post #39
eloisant wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having cctv in a factory is one thing, having one camera pointed to the face of each employee with AI to detect what they're doing is something else.

And what about having cctv on every work station in a factory? This is regularly used in a high cost scenarios for quality assurance/tracking. And it will be used much more when technology is cheaper / easier to deploy. Is this kind of supervision ok?

Presumably the camera is aimed at the assembly line, not at the individual member of staff.

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Post by EarlKing »

FearlessNebula wrote: post #72
boomboomsubban wrote: post #51

Well, this system will at least make it harder for Amazon to deny knowing their drivers are peeing in bottles and pooping in bags. I also can't blame the drivers for not wanting those acts immortalized.

A buddy of mine has an ostomy pouch and Amazon won't stop sending him job offers. Apparently they love employees who pee and or poop in bags...

If you'd ever seen the inside of an Amazon bag you'd know that's pretty much in the job description.
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