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Re: Gnome 40

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

kaba0 wrote: post #228
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly disagree: the gnome project and the systemd mess are both severely damaging Linux. The good thing, though, is that KDE Plasma seems to have recovered nicely from the KDE 3->4 mess.

Yeah I also want to use a system for servers where critical functionality depends on goddamn bash scripts that will regularly break. I also enjoy hunting down bugs in each distro that does things just a tiny bit differently... Central design is somewhat restrictive but a bazaar style of development for everything will only result in chaos. The kernel itself has become pretty much cathedral at this point, and not havi…

I don’t necessarily like sysvinit: systemd is just a monster slowly gobbling up all sorts of functionality that’s not directly related to “initializing the system”.

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by fao_ »

locke78 wrote: post #222
fao_ wrote: post #216

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> Most Gnome developers, I suppose, are on RedHat payroll and are not teenage. jwz was not talking about the age, he was talking about the issue of ignoring bugs to the point where they reach decades old, and often even then persist and go unfixed. Some bugs live multiple decades, across three different issue trackers, having to be reopened each time. The fun fact is that he wrote this in 2003, about the GNOME develo…

This article has so little substance that I wish people would stop re-posting it. It adds nothing to the discussion. Like yeah, there are bug reports that haven't been addressed. Developers come and go and sometimes have to leave before they get to work out all the bugs in their feature(s). It happens. Every big open source project is like that. The bug tracker is open so that anyone can submit bug reports. The downs…

> I don't see JWZ stepping up to triage random bugs in GNOME, probably because he knows it's a thankless job with no pay that he wouldn't enjoy.

Thing about it is, it's the responsibility of the GNOME project. It's the responsibility of the developers that sign up to it. Each time GNOME has been improved, old problems still persist. It says something about a project and the integrity of the developers when they claim to increase usability and yet do not bother with longstanding problems.

The root of the problem is a certain mindset to development. One that is numerous and yet flawed.

"Move fast, break things! No time to fix them we have other concerns like- checks notes- revising every system menu to look slightly different. Hell yeah!! Wooh!"

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by drEv0 »

staplung wrote: post #54

Can you use Super (Cmd) as the modifier key yet? E.g. Cmd-c to copy?

Also curious about this. It's doubtful. Given the growing number of people coming from Apple it would be great if the DEs provided an option in settings to default to using ctrl or cmd. DEs already make similar accommodations for users coming from Windows. For instance, in KDE you can press Win+E (Explorer) and get the file manager.

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by kaba0 »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #231
kaba0 wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I also want to use a system for servers where critical functionality depends on goddamn bash scripts that will regularly break. I also enjoy hunting down bugs in each distro that does things just a tiny bit differently... Central design is somewhat restrictive but a bazaar style of development for everything will only result in chaos. The kernel itself has become pretty much cathedral at this point, and not havi…

I don’t necessarily like sysvinit: systemd is just a monster slowly gobbling up all sorts of functionality that’s not directly related to “initializing the system”.

Initializing a system is a very complex problem. And that systemd gobbles up unrelated things is simply FUD. Systemd is both an init system and a group of many related projects. So it’s a bit like saying plasma is all-encompassing because they have a desktop env and also a pdf viewer file manager etc. They are just under the same name, not mandatory, similarly to many systemd programs.

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by rsj_hn »

ceronman wrote: post #111

I would like to thank the Gnome community for this release! I can't wait to upgrade to Fedora 34 to use it. I use Mac OS daily on my work computer and Gnome daily on my personal computer. Yes, I know there are a lot of Linux open source applications that are not very polished, but the quality in Gnome and its core applications is extremely high. There are even some things that Gnome does better than Mac OS. Now, you…

Curious, what hardware do you run gnome on?

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by joana035 »

ogre_codes wrote: post #67
joana035 wrote: post #48

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s/MacOS/webOS/g from Palm

You need to check your dates. MacOS’s fundamental look has a pretty consistent chain all the way back to NextOS in the 90s. The Dock, the dot indicator, and many other core pieces are visible in versions of MacOS which predate the launch of webOS. MacOS borrows some bits from webOS as well, but the fundamental Dock layout is right out of NextStep.

I didn't mention any dates, and I believe it doesn't need to be the one who came first to inspire others ;)

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by fao_ »

nine_k wrote: post #226
locke78 wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This article has so little substance that I wish people would stop re-posting it. It adds nothing to the discussion. Like yeah, there are bug reports that haven't been addressed. Developers come and go and sometimes have to leave before they get to work out all the bugs in their feature(s). It happens. Every big open source project is like that. The bug tracker is open so that anyone can submit bug reports. The downs…

The idea of "unsolicited bug reports" is lovely.

Exactly, what about unsolicited bugs?

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by ceronman »

rsj_hn wrote: post #235
ceronman wrote: post #111

I would like to thank the Gnome community for this release! I can't wait to upgrade to Fedora 34 to use it. I use Mac OS daily on my work computer and Gnome daily on my personal computer. Yes, I know there are a lot of Linux open source applications that are not very polished, but the quality in Gnome and its core applications is extremely high. There are even some things that Gnome does better than Mac OS. Now, you…

Curious, what hardware do you run gnome on?

I have a 4k thinkpad x1 carbon 7gen.

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by ogre_codes »

joana035 wrote: post #236
ogre_codes wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to check your dates. MacOS’s fundamental look has a pretty consistent chain all the way back to NextOS in the 90s. The Dock, the dot indicator, and many other core pieces are visible in versions of MacOS which predate the launch of webOS. MacOS borrows some bits from webOS as well, but the fundamental Dock layout is right out of NextStep.

I didn't mention any dates, and I believe it doesn't need to be the one who came first to inspire others ;)

Well what I meant to say is they were both inspired by the OS I'm going to release next year.

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by sagarm »

offtop5 wrote: post #51
iulian_r wrote: post #38

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You can only install this on windows in a VM (like Virtual Box). You also can't install it directly, you would need a Linux distribution as well. It would be easier to wait until Ubuntu or Fedora releases a new version which contains this version of GNOME. Desktop Environments on Linux are basically GUI themes.

Has anyone ever made a Windows gui them. I need the functionality of windows, but I much tire of the way Windows looks now

Yes, alternative shells for Windows used to exist. Back in the ME days I used Litestep:

http://litestep.net/

No idea if they still work.

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