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Re: U.S. fears China attack on Taiwan

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Post by tialaramex » Sun, Mar 28, 2021, 8:16 AM UTC

Cyder wrote: post #202

tialaramex wrote: post #178

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History books about things that happened rather than, say, squinting hard to rationalise unhappy truths? Britain didn't have slavery†. The 1833 act abolishes slavery in the Colonies, not in Britain itself. The existence of slavery in the colonies is why there were slaves in America to seek freedom by fighting for the British there. So like I said, the British freed those on their side, while the colonists unsurprisin…

So Britain didn't exist until 1833? It wouldn't have been in the US if Britain didn't bring it.

No? Britain didn't have slavery, it didn't have it before that 1833 Act, and it still didn't have it afterward. The Act's title begins: "An Act for the Abolition of Slavery throughout the British Colonies" because it's about abolishing slavery in the colonies. By this time of course Americans - who still want slavery - have successfully rebelled and are independent and so this law does not affect the millions of slaves in the United States of America.

The Colonies weren't Britain. Their people weren't (on the whole) British citizens, if you knew a bit more history that year might stand out more. 1833 is just after Great Reform, the country has become more small-D democratic, expanding the franchise (the right to vote) to more men and eliminating "Rotten boroughs" which were often in practice controlled by rich people, including slaveowner colonists abroad.

Re: U.S. fears China attack on Taiwan

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Post by gspr » Sun, Mar 28, 2021, 9:09 AM UTC

sneak wrote: post #109

gspr wrote: post #96

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> The anti-China rhetoric and propaganda in the USA has been steadily ramping up over the last 3-5 years as well, for better or worse. I don't think this is an accident or happenstance. Yeah, it's really strange that negative rhetoric has been ramping up against a government that is now running full-blown ethnic concentration camps in Xinjiang, is flagrantly stomping on the democratic rights of the people of Hong Kon…

It appears to have worked well for its intended purpose. For the record, the US imprisons its ethnic minorities in inhumane conditions (including labor camps and forced sterilization, just like China) at a per-capita rate 17x higher than China does. I think the disparity in public perception (in the US; I can't speak to China as I'm not there) of the two superpowers is telling.

I'm not even gonna pick up this insane digression. First of all, the US doing something isn't an excuse. Second, at least injustices in the US are considered injustices. People speak out. There is debate and protests. In China? Yeah try holding a ULM (Uighur Lives Matter) protest in China and get back to me.

Re: U.S. fears China attack on Taiwan

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Post by gspr » Sun, Mar 28, 2021, 9:12 AM UTC

Fricken wrote: post #114

gspr wrote: post #96

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> The anti-China rhetoric and propaganda in the USA has been steadily ramping up over the last 3-5 years as well, for better or worse. I don't think this is an accident or happenstance. Yeah, it's really strange that negative rhetoric has been ramping up against a government that is now running full-blown ethnic concentration camps in Xinjiang, is flagrantly stomping on the democratic rights of the people of Hong Kon…

>According to a survey conducted by the Hong Kong Public Opinion Research Institute in December 2019, one-fifth of Hong Kong's population supported Hong Kong independence, while 56% of Hongkongers opposed it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_independence

Did I mention independence?

Anyway: All Chinese citizens are being denied their democratic natural rights. That's a battle that's not gonna be won anytime sokn, I recognize that. But the citizens of HK are now being denied their agreed upon, on-paper, legal democratic rights by the CCP pigs.

Re: U.S. fears China attack on Taiwan

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Post by thu2111 » Sun, Mar 28, 2021, 9:33 AM UTC

hawk_ wrote: post #132

f6v wrote: post #116

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> Also it's not like Crimea annexation where the aggressor had local support. As a crimean, I find the way you write “Crimea wanted to become part of Russia” extremely funny.

My bad but that's the impression I have had from international media. Russian forces didn't face any significant resitance and the local russian speaking population wasn't too keen on continuing with Ukraine. Happy to hear from a crimean what really went down.

There were also opinion polls done by Western polling firms that showed majority support for joining Russia. And Ukraine responded by cutting off the region's electricity supply, so presumably support for them fell after that.

Re: U.S. fears China attack on Taiwan

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Post by mlindner » Sun, Mar 28, 2021, 11:18 AM UTC

sneak wrote: post #109

gspr wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The anti-China rhetoric and propaganda in the USA has been steadily ramping up over the last 3-5 years as well, for better or worse. I don't think this is an accident or happenstance. Yeah, it's really strange that negative rhetoric has been ramping up against a government that is now running full-blown ethnic concentration camps in Xinjiang, is flagrantly stomping on the democratic rights of the people of Hong Kon…

It appears to have worked well for its intended purpose. For the record, the US imprisons its ethnic minorities in inhumane conditions (including labor camps and forced sterilization, just like China) at a per-capita rate 17x higher than China does. I think the disparity in public perception (in the US; I can't speak to China as I'm not there) of the two superpowers is telling.

> For the record, the US imprisons its ethnic minorities in inhumane conditions (including labor camps and forced sterilization, just like China) at a per-capita rate 17x higher than China does.

LOL!!!! We imprison people of ANY ethnicity who commit crimes. Some prisons have ways where the people there can earn wages through work, though most don't. You can maybe stretch the definition of what "labor camp" means to include that, but I wouldn't. And we DEFINITELY do not do forced sterilization rofl.

If you're going to go around spreading fake propaganda, invent some better stuff next time.

Re: U.S. fears China attack on Taiwan

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Post by mlindner » Sun, Mar 28, 2021, 11:22 AM UTC

hilbertseries wrote: post #164

PureParadigm wrote: post #41

Due to the one child policy, China is going to experience a demographic collapse this decade as more people retire than are available to replace them in the workforce. So the 2020s is the pivotal decade as China nears the height of its power. The CCP is aware of this and knows that if they are ever going to take Taiwan, it would ideally be this decade. Politically, it will also need a victory as the Chinese economy i…

The solution is simple, give Taiwan nukes.

Do you remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? As that's exactly the Cuban Missile Crisis. I think giving Taiwan nukes would force them to invade rather than risk being attacked with nukes.

Re: U.S. fears China attack on Taiwan

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Post by xtian » Sun, Mar 28, 2021, 1:19 PM UTC

mlindner wrote: post #215

sneak wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It appears to have worked well for its intended purpose. For the record, the US imprisons its ethnic minorities in inhumane conditions (including labor camps and forced sterilization, just like China) at a per-capita rate 17x higher than China does. I think the disparity in public perception (in the US; I can't speak to China as I'm not there) of the two superpowers is telling.

> For the record, the US imprisons its ethnic minorities in inhumane conditions (including labor camps and forced sterilization, just like China) at a per-capita rate 17x higher than China does. LOL!!!! We imprison people of ANY ethnicity who commit crimes. Some prisons have ways where the people there can earn wages through work, though most don't. You can maybe stretch the definition of what "labor camp" means to i…

> And we DEFINITELY do not do forced sterilization rofl.

No? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_Board_of_North_Caro... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study

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Post by meiraleal » Sun, Mar 28, 2021, 1:35 PM UTC

tialaramex wrote: post #211

Cyder wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So Britain didn't exist until 1833? It wouldn't have been in the US if Britain didn't bring it.

No? Britain didn't have slavery, it didn't have it before that 1833 Act, and it still didn't have it afterward. The Act's title begins: "An Act for the Abolition of Slavery throughout the British Colonies" because it's about abolishing slavery in the colonies . By this time of course Americans - who still want slavery - have successfully rebelled and are independent and so this law does not affect the millions of sla…

When Foxxconn uses slave labor to produce iphones, are they Apple's iPhones?

Re: U.S. fears China attack on Taiwan

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Post by sneak » Sun, Mar 28, 2021, 2:44 PM UTC

mlindner wrote: post #215

sneak wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It appears to have worked well for its intended purpose. For the record, the US imprisons its ethnic minorities in inhumane conditions (including labor camps and forced sterilization, just like China) at a per-capita rate 17x higher than China does. I think the disparity in public perception (in the US; I can't speak to China as I'm not there) of the two superpowers is telling.

> For the record, the US imprisons its ethnic minorities in inhumane conditions (including labor camps and forced sterilization, just like China) at a per-capita rate 17x higher than China does. LOL!!!! We imprison people of ANY ethnicity who commit crimes. Some prisons have ways where the people there can earn wages through work, though most don't. You can maybe stretch the definition of what "labor camp" means to i…

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news:

https://talkpoverty.org/2017/08/23/u-s-still-forcibly-steril...

https://www.vice.com/en/article/93578d/staggering-number-of-...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/not-just-ice-a-california-pris...

Those wages you are thinking of? Frequently they are well under one dollar per hour, sometimes as low as two cents per hour, and pay of any kind is not legally required:

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/prison-...

> We imprison people of ANY ethnicity who commit crimes.

Police and prosecutorial discretion means that this isn't true, statistically. As I mentioned, the US imprisons ethnic minorities at a rate of 17x higher than China per capita, despite the farcical claim that all citizens have equal protection under the law. If they did, the number of people of different ethnicities imprisoned would roughly match the distribution of ethnicities in US society. They do not.

Re: U.S. fears China attack on Taiwan

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Post by f6v » Sun, Mar 28, 2021, 4:02 PM UTC

hawk_ wrote: post #132

f6v wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also it's not like Crimea annexation where the aggressor had local support. As a crimean, I find the way you write “Crimea wanted to become part of Russia” extremely funny.

My bad but that's the impression I have had from international media. Russian forces didn't face any significant resitance and the local russian speaking population wasn't too keen on continuing with Ukraine. Happy to hear from a crimean what really went down.

I meant that you can hardly call Russia an “aggressor” when the locals have been dreaming of becoming part of Russia since 1991. Also aggressor doesn’t invest into education, healthcare and overall quality of life.