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Re: How can you tell if someone is lying?

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LocalPCGuy wrote: post #80
airstrike wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC their 95% failure includes failing to spot explosives and the like in their scanners

I went through a screening with a "robot" - in quotes because it was literally a breadboard with a bunch of wires sticking out of it, a battery and a squarish box. Didn't even have to open the bag to show the agents what it was, went right through the scanner with no comment. And I was nervous as hell cause I was sure I was going to have to explain it, maybe even show that it worked. But nope, not a peep.

Pretty sure they weren't going to let you uhhh..."demo" it.

Re: How can you tell if someone is lying?

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Post by yarcob »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #59
easton wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Among Us is the most recent version of those games, and it made me realize how good my friends were at gaslighting me.

What if I told you that playing a low-stakes game and real life are not the same thing?

You should try it. I found it very enlightening to find out how utterly incapable I was to get away with a pretend murder in a primitve computer game with random strangers.

(Even if like me you won't end up playing the game I found the experience worth five dollars)

Re: How can you tell if someone is lying?

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Post by nosianu »

frereubu wrote: post #108
Robin_Message wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's a book by Malcolm Gladwell, I can't anti-recommend it enough. All of the Malcolm Gladwell books I've read have been tripe. Unless he has radically improved his writing and grasp of nuance in the last decade (and published retractions of his earlier books), his books are dangerous anti-knowledge which will make you feel smarter but actually be dumber. Gladwell takes an obvious, folksy thing, adds a bit of a tw…

When studying sculpture a tutor talked to me about people making “things that look like art”, which really stuck with me - they made objects that mimicked what they thought art should be like, but had a kind of conceptual hollowness. I think Malcolm Gladwell is similar in that he produces content that has the appearance of science, but once you start digging it doesn’t hold up. A bit like a version of “truthiness”, e…

Oh right, art elitism as counter example, great. Who gets to define what I see as art? "conceptual hollowness" - that sounds nothing but esoteric to begin with. Reminds me of the (German) "Hurz"... event (https://youtu.be/MJ7jbQJXF68).

I hate posting anything negative but sorry, this was just too much.

Oh and I admit I actually didn't dislike the third of one Gladwell's book I once read, as well as a presentation he gave somewhere about the Norden bombsight. Every single one of the HN haters of him on the other hand remain exceedingly vague and don't really have anything of substance to say, only very over-styled ways to express that they dislike them, or even the man himself.

Re: How can you tell if someone is lying?

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Post by ksd482 »

Robin_Message wrote: post #91
GavinMcG wrote: post #44

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It's a book, by Malcolm Gladwell. The comment said the audiobook is like a good podcast.

If it's a book by Malcolm Gladwell, I can't anti-recommend it enough. All of the Malcolm Gladwell books I've read have been tripe. Unless he has radically improved his writing and grasp of nuance in the last decade (and published retractions of his earlier books), his books are dangerous anti-knowledge which will make you feel smarter but actually be dumber. Gladwell takes an obvious, folksy thing, adds a bit of a tw…

I have the exact same opinion about Gladwell.

One day on a flight I started reading his “Blink” when 1/4th of the way I realized he is full of crap.

The realization came after I started noticing a pattern: that he would give an anecdote, or present a situation, explain it a little bit then bam! He would generalize his conclusion to a broader situation. Rinse and repeat.

What a load of junk!

I got introduced to him via his TED talks which I liked. But after reading Blink (1/4th of it), I opened by eyes and stayed away from whatever he said or did.

Re: How can you tell if someone is lying?

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Post by petewailes »

frereubu wrote: post #108
Robin_Message wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's a book by Malcolm Gladwell, I can't anti-recommend it enough. All of the Malcolm Gladwell books I've read have been tripe. Unless he has radically improved his writing and grasp of nuance in the last decade (and published retractions of his earlier books), his books are dangerous anti-knowledge which will make you feel smarter but actually be dumber. Gladwell takes an obvious, folksy thing, adds a bit of a tw…

When studying sculpture a tutor talked to me about people making “things that look like art”, which really stuck with me - they made objects that mimicked what they thought art should be like, but had a kind of conceptual hollowness. I think Malcolm Gladwell is similar in that he produces content that has the appearance of science, but once you start digging it doesn’t hold up. A bit like a version of “truthiness”, e…

Sciensimilitude, as it were

Re: How can you tell if someone is lying?

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Post by zakember »

raducu wrote: post #98
foobiekr wrote: post #65

David Simon's book, Homicide, has an apropos section: """Terry McLarney once mused that the best way to unsettle a suspect would be to post in all three interrogation rooms a written list of those behavior patterns that indicate deception: Uncooperative. Too cooperative. Talks too much. Talks too little. Gets his story perfectly straight. Fucks his story up. Blinks too much, avoids eye contact. Doesn’t blink. Stares.…

I'd like to see some hot-shot detective try to get a random number from 1-1000 out of my head by using those techniques. Yeah, he couldn't.

That is because the stakes are too low to make you feel unsettled (in getting a random number).

But if you knew you did something that could land you in prison and you were supposed to hide it, that would be a completely different scenario.

Re: How can you tell if someone is lying?

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Post by zakember »

foobiekr wrote: post #65

David Simon's book, Homicide, has an apropos section: """Terry McLarney once mused that the best way to unsettle a suspect would be to post in all three interrogation rooms a written list of those behavior patterns that indicate deception: Uncooperative. Too cooperative. Talks too much. Talks too little. Gets his story perfectly straight. Fucks his story up. Blinks too much, avoids eye contact. Doesn’t blink. Stares.…

I wonder if this would unsettle innocent people as well. Sounds like this would unsettle some non-suspects too

Re: How can you tell if someone is lying?

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Post by tarsinge »

foobiekr wrote: post #65

David Simon's book, Homicide, has an apropos section: """Terry McLarney once mused that the best way to unsettle a suspect would be to post in all three interrogation rooms a written list of those behavior patterns that indicate deception: Uncooperative. Too cooperative. Talks too much. Talks too little. Gets his story perfectly straight. Fucks his story up. Blinks too much, avoids eye contact. Doesn’t blink. Stares.…

Countless times when I was a kid (and sometimes now) people thought I lied when I was innocent because of timidity (and not diagnosed but maybe on the spectrum), so yeah I was unsettled. Uncontrollable smiles were the worst ("that makes you laugh!"). I can’t blame neurotypical people for having heuristics, but I’m still afraid to be interrogated in something serious with my reactions analyzed.

Re: How can you tell if someone is lying?

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Post by [deleted] »

foobiekr wrote: post #65

David Simon's book, Homicide, has an apropos section: """Terry McLarney once mused that the best way to unsettle a suspect would be to post in all three interrogation rooms a written list of those behavior patterns that indicate deception: Uncooperative. Too cooperative. Talks too much. Talks too little. Gets his story perfectly straight. Fucks his story up. Blinks too much, avoids eye contact. Doesn’t blink. Stares.…

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Re: How can you tell if someone is lying?

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Post by raducu »

zakember wrote: post #116
raducu wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to see some hot-shot detective try to get a random number from 1-1000 out of my head by using those techniques. Yeah, he couldn't.

That is because the stakes are too low to make you feel unsettled (in getting a random number). But if you knew you did something that could land you in prison and you were supposed to hide it, that would be a completely different scenario.

I bet even if the stakes were "if I find out the number, you go to prison for one year" he wouldn't be able to.

My point was not that detectives are useless, interrogation does work wonders -- in some cases making the criminal confess, in others making the innocent confess to something he did not do.

My point was getting convicted based on some lie detection bullshit or just some confession alone is evil.

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