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Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by loveistheanswer »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #50
mc32 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously Maduro is a problematic despotic leader, but who are Facebook to be arbiters of thrush and falsehood? We’ve gone down the path of good intentions that leads to hell. Does this not interfere with self determination? Is there one true north now? Have Facebook found all truth? This is getting ridiculous.

For their own platform? Facebook is, obviously. How is this even a question? It's not like a head of state doesn't have plenty of power to send messages through other means. Since when are private actors obligated to let them speak on private platforms?

>How is this even a question?

>Since when are private actors obligated to let them speak on private platforms?

This is the same argument slave owners used to defend their "private property", and that business owners used to ban black people from their private property.

So, judging by the history of human rights, it's a perfectly valid question

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by pitay »

sofixa wrote: post #121
pitay wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do remember that something like 'fossil fuels are destroying the environment' would be called 'hate speech' if power shifted a bit. 'Hate' is an emotive term used to bypass peoples thinking so that criticism of certain things can be disposed of by emotion rather than evidence. People bringing up evidence of malfeasance could be called 'hate filled' people, have what they say aggressively censored, so that other peopl…

There's an expression in my native language which, directly translated, is something along these lines: "If my grandma had a rotor, she'd be a helicopter". I think it perfectly encapsulates your "slippery slope" argument, that if today we accept that saying you want to rape someone on Twitter is hate that needs to be stopped, tomorrow saying that processed foods are bad will be hate as well. Do you even realise how s…

Yes, another way to discredit someone with a valid concern is use name calling as the basis of their argument, just like what the parent post does here. School yard bullies used named calling to socially destroy the reputation of their victims and isolate them. Adults use the same name calling to do the same thing, they just use different words.

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by jayd16 »

abhinav22 wrote: post #2

Not sure about this - I don’t think government leaders or anybody should be censored. Better to have public health messages as part of the platform than to censor It’s a fine line between hate and misinformation and dissent (Clearly the content in question is wrong; but in other cases, WHO and others been proven incorrect - eg on masks and asymptotic transmission) Don’t know what the answer is, we don’t want echo cha…

You have it backwards. We should be worried about being forced to broadcast political messages we think are lies.

The real problem is that Facebook is in a position of such power and market control that moderation feels like censorship.

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by lucian1900 »

alkonaut wrote: post #130
lucian1900 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who convinced you Maduro is “authoritarian”? I find that more interesting to explore.

The people who study and report on Venezuela did. If you find the topic interesting there is actually quite a lot of material https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1387787/FULLTEXT... https://escholarship.org/uc/item/5mj6j3t8 https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/authoritarian-su...

There are other sources too, like https://thegrayzone.com/category/venezuela/ or https://www.telesurtv.net/SubSecciones/en/country/venezuela/ or https://venezuelanalysis.com

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by jayd16 »

loveistheanswer wrote: post #131
TulliusCicero wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For their own platform? Facebook is, obviously. How is this even a question? It's not like a head of state doesn't have plenty of power to send messages through other means. Since when are private actors obligated to let them speak on private platforms?

>How is this even a question? >Since when are private actors obligated to let them speak on private platforms? This is the same argument slave owners used to defend their "private property", and that business owners used to ban black people from their private property. So, judging by the history of human rights, it's a perfectly valid question

Except we did decide a private business can refuse service unless its specific discrimination of a protected class. If anything this analogy proves the opposite of your argument.

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by olivermarks »

It's a disgrace that the USA, founded on a constitution that defends free speech, has globalist private companies operating out of the USA gagging opinions and dissent while blatantly amplifying factions and ideas it is aligned with. They have every right as a S230 regulated company to do this, but we have no other free speech places to go as alternative services are closed down.

We are going to see Trump create a parallel social media universe platform shortly that will be a disaster for unity, beliefs and the credibility of what's left of the 'corporate entertainment media' as Tulsi Gabbard calls the oligarch owned omnipotent corporate 'news 'channels.

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by Izkata »

Carvativir is the same as (according to Wikipedia) or derived from (according to other sites) carvacrol. From this, it took me five minutes to find evidence that we should actually investigate this and can't just dismiss Maduro as wrong: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3768712/

> Carvacrol alone exhibited high antiviral activity against RV with a SI of 33, but it was less efficient than the oil for the other viruses. Thus, Mexican oregano oil and its main component, carvacrol, are able to inhibit different human and animal viruses in vitro. Specifically, the antiviral effects of Mexican oregano oil on ACVR-HHV-1 and HRSV and of carvacrol on RV justify more detailed studies.

Even just on Wikipedia, it mentions apparently well-known antimicrobial effects, which sounds like it may help with secondary pneumonia caused by COVID (so even putting aside the possibility of antiviral effects, it may help reduce some symptoms): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carvacrol#Toxicology

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by andred14 »

The reality is FB has been bought by the pharma/vackz companies and deletes anything contrary to this program however factual it may be.

How about FB worry about itself and we adults will determine what is right and wrong for ourselves? As it always has been?

FB has "moderated" 100% facts and science that I have posted in the past just because the information does not suit the current narrative of fear and destruction.

This is wrong and should motivate you to find other platforms.

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by [deleted] »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #54
pumaontheprowl wrote: post #17

A lot of this is starting to remind me of the way Galileo and Darwin were treated for announcing their breakthroughs. I know nothing about this drug Maduro is touting, but I can't help worrying that one of these days somebody is going to find an actual cure and the world will never know about it because big social media companies exile them for wrongthink.

They laughed at Jesus. They laughed at Ghandi. But they also laughed at Bozo the clown.

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Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by loveistheanswer »

jayd16 wrote: post #135
loveistheanswer wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How is this even a question? >Since when are private actors obligated to let them speak on private platforms? This is the same argument slave owners used to defend their "private property", and that business owners used to ban black people from their private property. So, judging by the history of human rights, it's a perfectly valid question

Except we did decide a private business can refuse service unless its specific discrimination of a protected class. If anything this analogy proves the opposite of your argument.

Are you implying we've reached the pinnacle of human rights, and can no longer progress or regress?
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