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Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by mlyle »

barbegal wrote: post #187
tempestn wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read that there aren't any tall enough cranes in that area to do it, so they're considering unloading some containers by helicopter.

Even if you could unload a container per minute you could only unload less than 1000 containers per day (assuming it's too dangerous to work at night) so at least 3 weeks of continuous helicopter operations.

But a few days of operations, and unloading ballast/fuel, and dredging, and other efforts to refloat may be successful together.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by secfirstmd »

luxuryballs wrote: post #417
londons_explore wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kind of amazing that in 48 hours, an event happens that threatens one of Egypts major income streams and political power sources, and the maximum they can spare is 2 bulldozers... Like why not call in the army, rent every bulldozer in the district, and within 12 hours you'll have 30 on site and be able to move a lot of sand quickly to free it?

Is it possible someone is blocking the canal on purpose? For some geopolitical reason maybe.

Hanlons Razor I reckon.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by wefgvcd »

jdasdf wrote: post #261
dshibarshin wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The carrier can announce a general average [1] which allows it to throw the containers overboard if they believe it will help the ship get moving. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_average

A general average requires an imminent danger which the ship is clearly no in, since it's just stuck. You also can't argue that they have to dump it overboard because of the costs that the delays will cause, because such costs are explicitly excluded in the 2004 rules on general averages [1] [1] Rule C, paragraph 3 https://shippingandfreightresource.com/wp-content/uploads/20...

I could not find a reference to imminent danger in Rule C. Could you please quote the passage you're referring to?

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by dahdum »

jacob2484 wrote: post #456

Quite the arrogance here of mostly software devs trying to out -solutionize marine/shipping experts who undoubtedly have been consulted and are already looking for the quickest way to resolve the situation. With billions of dollars in stake, I'm sure even the most expensive experts are involved.

Looks to me like everyone here is just having fun theorizing about it, I don’t see much, if any, real arrogance.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by Denvercoder9 »

akmarinov wrote: post #355
blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

Can’t we just dig a new canal?

Theoretically, yes. Practically, removing this ship is faster and cheaper.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by elihu »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #68

Comedy option, what wacky cold war era aircraft do we have capable of lifting massive loads like a container ship? Perhaps an enormous fleet of Chinook helicopters could take it straight up?

Even more whimsical option: Evangelion is set in 2015, which means if we were following their projected technology timeline, we could just unload the ship by Eva. Probably unit 0, because Rei tends to get the crappy jobs. Not Asuka, she'd turn it into a contest of who could sink the most tugboats by throwing containers at them or something like that.

The Evas can be airlifted anywhere in the world, but IIRC they have about five minutes of battery power. So, the biggest logistical problem would be getting suitable power on site. What are the voltage/current/frequency requirements of an Eva charger? How many months/years would it take to charge an Eva with a J1772 port or whatever they use in that part of the world? Looks like the nearest Tesla superchargers are in Israel and Jordan, which is too far even if they were compatible. Maybe NERV has a mobile generator?

The Jet Alone folks could put in a competing bid, but their robot would just get sabotaged again.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by totalZero »

MrOwen wrote: post #376
totalZero wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could increase the buoyancy by something like 230 kilograms per cubic meter if you fully saturate it on a hot day, but I suppose you'd have to dam up both sides to keep the brine from washing away.

Would that level of salinity be harmful once it reaches the sea?

Assuming you narrowly dam up the canal near the ship to contain the brine, no I don't think so. Seawater is 3% saline and saturated brine is 26% saline, so you'd probably have sufficient mixing within the canal itself once you open the dams. The canal is 120 miles long and I can't imagine you'd dam up more than a third of a mile at maximum. But it would take a whole hell of a lot of salt.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by ngokevin »

jacob2484 wrote: post #456

Quite the arrogance here of mostly software devs trying to out -solutionize marine/shipping experts who undoubtedly have been consulted and are already looking for the quickest way to resolve the situation. With billions of dollars in stake, I'm sure even the most expensive experts are involved.

Better than the coronavirus takes I've seen from software devs...
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