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Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by tehjoker »

ampdepolymerase wrote: post #14

Had rockets not been so regulated, this problem could have easily been solved. It would not be cheap but with a 150million insurance budget it is doable. Egypt is losing 400million in trade every hour. The ship weighs 200 000 tons. You only need to drag it out of the sand, not bring it to LEO. Another option would be a lot of shaped charges but the side effects are much more catastrophic if things go wrong. In the ol…

I like how everyone thinks that by using money, bombs, or radiation they can fix a carefully engineered project by essentially kicking it hard enough.

Blowing a messy radioactive hole in the ground does not guarantee maritime navigability....

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by 6nf »

blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

Only about the center third of the channel is actually deep enough for this massive ship. Both ends of the ship is stuck in several meters of sand. So far they've only managed get two bulldozers on to try and dig it out but progress is slow.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by pjc50 »

londons_explore wrote: post #26
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it’s hard

Just dig a new canal around the ship? A quarter mile diversion can't take that long to dig. The whole canal is 120 miles, so an extra quarter mile they should be able to dig in a few days I would think?

This man doesn't infrastructure.

(If you think it's that easy, pop over and ask if you can have a go on the JCB)

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by phkahler »

londons_explore wrote: post #26
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it’s hard

Just dig a new canal around the ship? A quarter mile diversion can't take that long to dig. The whole canal is 120 miles, so an extra quarter mile they should be able to dig in a few days I would think?

"Just" widen the canal so it can continue pivoting around the most stuck end until its straight again.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by yuliyp »

ksec wrote: post #8

~15% of the World's trade is dependent on it and this is taking much longer than expected. Why?

So yes it affects a lot of trade. But it can be worked around. Ships can sail around Africa or goods can be shipped across the Pacific and across the Panama Canal or via rail across America. Obviously those are more expensive, but the goods will still be transported.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by em-bee »

WJW wrote: post #32
dnautics wrote: post #16

Principle of maximal irony prediction: the ship rolls over while trying to free it and the suez gets littered with containers, takes even longer to clear it.

The Dutch national news had an interview with the CEO of Boskalis, which is the company hired to unlodge the ship. They have one team on the ground atm and another building computer simulations exactly to calculate how much oil and ballast they can pump out (to lighten the ship up and make it easier to tow) without endangering the stability of the ship. Apparently they had a similar case (same size of ship) a few yea…

do you mean this case? https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/frachter-rammt-faehre-knapp-an-d...

that was the very same ship

EDIT: no, the incident needing 12 tugs was a different ship. see comment below.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by dageshi »

dcolkitt wrote: post #23
ampdepolymerase wrote: post #14

Had rockets not been so regulated, this problem could have easily been solved. It would not be cheap but with a 150million insurance budget it is doable. Egypt is losing 400million in trade every hour. The ship weighs 200 000 tons. You only need to drag it out of the sand, not bring it to LEO. Another option would be a lot of shaped charges but the side effects are much more catastrophic if things go wrong. In the ol…

At the very least, why aren't they using helicopters to take the containers off one-by-one. That would reduce the overall weight, and it'd be easier to move an empty ship than one weighed down by cargo.

Are there helicopters capable of lifting a fully loaded cargo container?
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