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They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by castis »

wayneftw wrote: post #452
cl0ne wrote: post #450

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Then they should have done some research about the neighborhood they were moving into.

Is that a law? In all of America there are actual laws against littering, noise and pollution and wherever I move I expect them to be enforced. Also I wonder if these lawbreakers were respectful of the culture that existed prior to them arriving? I doubt it and with that I will conclude that they probably don't deserve the same respect. It's a free country you know? If they don't like it they can move somewhere else…

Maybe you should have just told them about the laws.

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Post by burnte »

jdhzzz wrote: post #399
burnte wrote: post #380

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You don't get to complain about the smell of manure if you move in right next to a farm. Know what you're getting into when you move, don't expect the surrounding community to change to suit you, regardless of race.

Haha, I remember this coming up 45 years ago. One of my teachers mentioned that as the nearby suburbs encroached on farm country, it only took a short while until those moving in complained about the smell of their farm neighbors. They tried to get them zoned out of existence. So, yes, people move into farmland and immediately complain that "Somebody's got to do something about the smell."

Amazingly, I am aware of this scenario, hence my analogy.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by wayneftw »

castis wrote: post #491
wayneftw wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that a law? In all of America there are actual laws against littering, noise and pollution and wherever I move I expect them to be enforced. Also I wonder if these lawbreakers were respectful of the culture that existed prior to them arriving? I doubt it and with that I will conclude that they probably don't deserve the same respect. It's a free country you know? If they don't like it they can move somewhere else…

Maybe you should have just told them about the laws.

I did. I also told the cops and other regulators numerous times. Unfortunately it's hard to catch someone running a professional mechanics garage out of their house. You have to setup 24/7 audio/video surveillance with expensive equipment to measure decibels, review it daily and eventually bring them to court (and win). Furthermore, even if you do get the laws enforced, you still have to put up with them doing legal things like running machinery in their garage every day up until 10pm (in that town) while they work on "their own/family" vehicles which would still be annoying.

If a bunch of people like me moved into town and started complaining, we probably could have gotten rid of those lowly pests that moved next door to me.

Since that wasn't happening anytime soon, I figured the next best thing is to just use some of my high income to move to a place where these kinds of lower class people can't afford to live and that's exactly what I did. I saved plenty of money living in a lower class neighborhood for a long time and the market conditions were totally right for a move so in the end, I actually won.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by int_19h »

sjg007 wrote: post #488
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #266

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>Why is there an ordinance? Even ignoring money and property values, the answers (for most ordinances, not just this one) are gonna all be various ways to put lipstick on the "behavior not befitting the people who can afford to live here" pig.

Ordinances restrict meth labs too.

Meth labs explode every now and then, so that actually makes sense.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by CA0DA »

xqyf wrote: post #208
CA0DA wrote: post #201

One or two Karens complaining ... this is so minor in the grand scheme of life. Certainly not a "national story." Not sure why we (hn) is concerned with this.

Please leave the "Karens" clichés on reddit, and reserve this space for nuanced discussion.

apologies for using the K- word.

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Post by whack »

jbroson wrote: post #462
whack wrote: post #449

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Talk about a strawman. Are there some people who might have complained for dumb reasons? Sure. Are there more people would would have complained because they don't want their residential neighborhood to: - be filled with thrash - smell like burning rubber - violate noise ordinances every single Sunday? Yes. Most middle-aged people do not want to live in such an environment, and neither do I. This is exactly why resid…

"Talk about a strawman" ...YOU are the one who claimed everyone that was complaining had a legitimate complaint about law and order and enforcement of local codes. I mean it's literally in the first few paragraphs of the piece that some dude thought the black and brown guys at the car club were "scary" so he reported them. "Are there some people who might have complained for dumb reasons?" "dumb reasons"? I think the…

> ...YOU are the one who claimed everyone that was complaining had a legitimate complaint about law and order and enforcement of local codes.

Read again. I never claimed that 100% of complainers had legitimate motivations or complaints. And YOU responded by cherry-picking a single person who had dumb motivations, and acting as though he is representative of everyone else, and the point I am making. This is the definition of a cherry-picking and a strawman.

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Post by silexia »

hef19898 wrote: post #198
JeremyNT wrote: post #164

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"Don't hate the player, hate the game." It's almost a tautology that only long term residents are around long enough to feel the negative effects of gentrification directly. I've been in my home for 15 years and only in the last 5 or so have I come to really understand what this trend has done to the community. My initial response to the current wave of millionaire neighbors is to resent the gentrifiers with all that…

This. Recently I had a discussion with a neighbor who owns the multi-apartment building next to our house about that very topic. All around our in our quarter, old buildings get renovated or torn down and rebuilt. Small bakeries close and the whole neighborhood is somewhat changing. And then it struck me. 7 years ago we built our house here, in what used to be a slot of an old small factory. In the middle of building…

Gentrification is a bad word for a positive outcome. When people come to a neighborhood and invest a lot of money and making it a nicer place, it benefits the current residence who can sell their homes for higher prices if they wish. If the current residents wish to stay, they benefit from the improvements.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by failwhaleshark »

patcon wrote: post #476
failwhaleshark wrote: post #330

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I agree. I think it's good to ask a neighbor if they seem the type to be amenable to it, otherwise better ask them if they've seen a cat wandering around. I had a neighbor who was an out-of-work hot-head who shouted at everyone and had his own posse of low-lifes. The guy BBQed right next to the wooden fence (in violation of fire codes) using absurd amounts of lighter fluid and charcoal that seeped into my unit direct…

Ah shit, that sounds like a fuckin rotten experience. Sorry you had to go through it. i always wonder, when I have fantastically social failures like that: how could i tune the knobs to make this go better with this specific type of person, who sees me in this way... like if I did this 10 more times with 10 more hot-heads, I wonder what I'd learn about what he responds better to. I'm sure there are parts of who I am…

The only way I think would've been to be another village tough or a low-life posse supplicant. The dude was out-of-work, drinking, smoking, and not doing anything and taking out his angsty frustrations in life on everyone else, including his kid, his wife, the mailman, the apt manager, and anyone else that walked by who wasn't a part of their gang.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by hef19898 »

silexia wrote: post #497
hef19898 wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Recently I had a discussion with a neighbor who owns the multi-apartment building next to our house about that very topic. All around our in our quarter, old buildings get renovated or torn down and rebuilt. Small bakeries close and the whole neighborhood is somewhat changing. And then it struck me. 7 years ago we built our house here, in what used to be a slot of an old small factory. In the middle of building…

Gentrification is a bad word for a positive outcome. When people come to a neighborhood and invest a lot of money and making it a nicer place, it benefits the current residence who can sell their homes for higher prices if they wish. If the current residents wish to stay, they benefit from the improvements.

I have to disagree. In the neighborhoods most like to suffer gentrification, people rent and don't own their living space. Increasing real estate prices only mean higher rents, making it impossible for existing residents to stay, long term, in their apartments.

Only owners can sell, usually to investors. This is a major rent driver. Up to the poitn were small grocery shops can#t afford it anymore and have to close. And I am not sure how us building a house for us, and only us, had any positive impact on any of our neighbors.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by oliwarner »

jbroson wrote: post #487
oliwarner wrote: post #468

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Calling the cops for a sustained and recurrent noise, environmental and traffic disturbance that means you can't reasonably enjoy your home or its immediate environment at the weekend... Seems fair, not racist or even bizarrely NIMBY. "This is a tradition" isn't good enough. It has to remain a tradition that people want in their back yards. If they don't, find somewhere else to do your noisy car things. Clearly the p…

The article literally has people saying they complained to the police because the black and brown men are "scary" And here you are claiming there's NOTHING AT ALL wrong with that. Sure let's just ignore decades of selective enforcement of law to discriminate against black and brown people, I guess "racism is over" because it makes you uncomfortable

That's not even an honest reading of the text. It does not report that a white person says brown people are scary, it says they complained about a "celebration".

Leave your baggage at the door. These things are objectively noisy, objectively disruptive and leave a whole heap of very real mess in their wake. Those are my problems, skin colour is yours.

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