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'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by hkmaxpro »

dumb1224 wrote: post #191
tablespoon wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm really skeptical that's true.... Winnie the Pooh is such a popular theme in products in China, I've never heard anything remotely close to such a ban.... IIRC, it's not a general ban, it's just censored from social media, probably by official directive. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-win...

Well it's definitely not censored on social media: https://s.weibo.com/weibo?q=%E7%BB%B4%E5%B0%BC%E7%86%8A&wvr=... Even if it was slightly true it must have been incredibly insignificant hence my skepticism. My point is that we could leave out a bit of noise as it is very easy to come across misunderstanding already.

Winnie the Pooh was censored in the Chinese version of the video game Kingdom Hearts III [0][1]. Do you think a massive white blot around Winnie the Pooh in every appearance is a “misunderstanding”?

As I pointed out in another comment, it was also the content of the most censored Weibo post in 2015 [2], according to the Weiboscope cenorship tracker.

These examples are very easy to find if you Google for them (assuming you can Google from your country).

[0] https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/winnie-the-pooh-china-ba...

[1] https://gamerant.com/kingdom-hearts-3-winnie-pooh-censorship...

[2] https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/12/31/china-top-5-censored-po...

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by m9731526 »

dumb1224 wrote: post #191
tablespoon wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm really skeptical that's true.... Winnie the Pooh is such a popular theme in products in China, I've never heard anything remotely close to such a ban.... IIRC, it's not a general ban, it's just censored from social media, probably by official directive. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-win...

Well it's definitely not censored on social media: https://s.weibo.com/weibo?q=%E7%BB%B4%E5%B0%BC%E7%86%8A&wvr=... Even if it was slightly true it must have been incredibly insignificant hence my skepticism. My point is that we could leave out a bit of noise as it is very easy to come across misunderstanding already.

Over these years a lot of words and characters got banned, some with good intention like to stop lewd or not-suit-for-kiids content from spreading, most other times with intention to stop people from talking about things CCP not willing to let people discuss about.

If you can read Chinese, you will found that on some forums people are like talking with magic spells, in extreme cases, whole paragraph or article is composed of word/characters that pronounce same but looks different, or just looks similar enough so people understand what it implys.

Even if Chinese is my native language I can't read ciphertext of that level.

Talking about censorship, I'd like to share my 2 cents. For some time I had been actively browsing Zhihu (a Chinese knowledge sharing social platform), even posting and talking with the users. It's around a decade ago, the censorship back then was much looser. I am a Taiwanese, we even talked about a political incident which is basically Taiwanese people protesting about the ruling signing CSSTA... some Chinese agree, some do not, some just left hatred comments, but people back then was really talking and sharing opiinion. You find no more stuff like this now, the censorship got strengthened over years, a lot of topics are risky and people would rather not talk about it.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by dumb1224 »

hkmaxpro wrote: post #261
dumb1224 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it's definitely not censored on social media: https://s.weibo.com/weibo?q=%E7%BB%B4%E5%B0%BC%E7%86%8A&wvr=... Even if it was slightly true it must have been incredibly insignificant hence my skepticism. My point is that we could leave out a bit of noise as it is very easy to come across misunderstanding already.

Winnie the Pooh was censored in the Chinese version of the video game Kingdom Hearts III [0][1]. Do you think a massive white blot around Winnie the Pooh in every appearance is a “misunderstanding”? As I pointed out in another comment, it was also the content of the most censored Weibo post in 2015 [2], according to the Weiboscope cenorship tracker. These examples are very easy to find if you Google for them (assumin…

I can not verify your claim since I don't play Kingdom Hearts. That's exactly my point; if the issue is very trivial then over-iterate on it seems a bit sensationalist. Official censoring some posts and 'chinese-cut' version of some imported art/entertainment are very much loathed and aware in China, 'banning' a whole commercial theme is a very different story.

"(assuming you can Google from your country)" I think it's a bit unnecessary to assume that given that HN is largely targeting tech space and people will have very diverse reasons of not using Google? Assuming we're discussing this out of good faith one should realise if one can only read english sources it might be a little biased IMHO.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by jkingsbery »

hungryhobo wrote: post #227
jkingsbery wrote: post #197

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> The fragility of American imperialism and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. This is 100% unarguably, demonstrably false. Americans write books critical about American imperialism ( https://www.amazon.com/Imperial-Cruise-Secret-History-Empire... ), we make (and fund with public broadcasting money!) documentaries that criticize both the effectiveness and wisdom of our own military eff…

> documentaries that criticize both the effectiveness and wisdom of our own military efforts So the criticism is on how to carry out imperialism more effectively?

No. The items I linked to all criticise the entirety of the events they describe, not just how to be a better imperialist. Please point out where in the linked to items you get your interpretation.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by HKH2 »

systemvoltage wrote: post #169
wumaodang wrote: post #130

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If you listen to them, they say they're not separatists... But if they were that's all the more reason for there to be criminal penalties for their actions. And you better hope the same happens in the US when the FBI goes after the "Boogaloo Boys."

You need to get recalibrated. 25% of the people of HK were involved in protests in some form or the other. Boogaloo Boys do not consist of 80 million US citizens. They're a fringe group trying to be a militia. HK citizens were violent because their voices were not heard, they're not a militia, nor are they fighting to oppress and upend democracy, they're fighting for the exact opposite.

The people who were violent were definitely nowhere near 25%, most probably not even 5%.

You can see in video after video that they're mostly young people (20s), and their message was "burn with us" [1]. Carrie Lam withdrew the bill and that still wasn't enough for them. Realistically, they were never going to get the 5 demands met, and it was clear they wanted to incite police violence.

There were plenty of people, especially those who were a bit older and those who owned small businesses who wished they would go away, and the national security law has guaranteed that. I know HK culture is quite separate from Mainland culture in quite a few aspects, but I can't see how any of the violence has helped.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lam_chau_(doctrine)

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by jkingsbery »

xtian wrote: post #241
jkingsbery wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The fragility of American imperialism and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. This is 100% unarguably, demonstrably false. Americans write books critical about American imperialism ( https://www.amazon.com/Imperial-Cruise-Secret-History-Empire... ), we make (and fund with public broadcasting money!) documentaries that criticize both the effectiveness and wisdom of our own military eff…

In the US you have freedom of speech until you start to impact the status quo. See: McCarthyism, Fred Hampton, etc.

I didn't know anything about Fred Hampton, so I looked him up (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton). I suppose his example highlights the difference between the US and China, as his family was paid $1.85 million for his death, which is probably still not what they have wanted, but an acknowledgement of government wrongdoing. When is the last time CCP acknowledged wrongdoing?

McCarthyism offers another interesting contrast. Read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism. There was lots of opposition to McCarthy. Even a noted anti-communism person such as President Truman criticized McCarthy. Most if McCarthy's victims got their day in court, and ultimately the scale (affecting hundreds of people) is dwarfed by the scale of CCP persecution of pro-democracy or those who wish to practice a religion not endorsed by the CCP, which has damaged the lives of millions.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by jkingsbery »

sudosysgen wrote: post #247
jkingsbery wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read this similarly. In the US, there are lots of things that the government doesn't control, and even for things the government does control the federal, state and local governments can be controlled by different parties that have conflicting priorities. Also, the way that the political parties are structured in the US is very different, where there are national party organizations, but also local party organizati…

This somehow misses the Supreme Court. The American Supreme Court can basically make up interpretations on essentially whatever, and it has and will so long as the Democratic and Republican party agree on it. China also has local CCP organizations, and they have a significant level of influence on the national party (and vice-versa), but ultimately just like in the US the DNC and RNC chair can basically make up whate…

The US is designed with the idea of checks and balances. It is a half-truth that the Supreme Court can make up whatever interpretations it wants. It can only consider cases that come before it, and it can only take so many cases in a year. With the cases before it, in practice, there are a whole host of things limiting what interpretations are possible, such as precedent, the desire to reach consensus on a more limited ruling, the possibility of setting a precedent that could later be used against the justice's goal, and the fact that justices have to work together even though they strongly disagree with each other. These are in addition to the other checks and balances spelled out in the Constitution, such as the possibility of impeachment of justices.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by curryslapper »

hi5eyes wrote: post #10

anyone else have family/friends working/born and raised in hk and have zero care about the "protests" ? yeah most people go about their lives while the media bread and circus blasted this to western audiences when it was trendy. extremely amusing to watch internet nobodies absolutely nuke reddit with hk posts when chances are they have no idea how to locate hk on a map

Good luck not getting your comment reported.

Any comment that is contrary to 'CCP dogs/propaganda' etc just gets downvoted/reported.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by hkmaxpro »

dumb1224 wrote: post #263
hkmaxpro wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Winnie the Pooh was censored in the Chinese version of the video game Kingdom Hearts III [0][1]. Do you think a massive white blot around Winnie the Pooh in every appearance is a “misunderstanding”? As I pointed out in another comment, it was also the content of the most censored Weibo post in 2015 [2], according to the Weiboscope cenorship tracker. These examples are very easy to find if you Google for them (assumin…

I can not verify your claim since I don't play Kingdom Hearts. That's exactly my point; if the issue is very trivial then over-iterate on it seems a bit sensationalist. Official censoring some posts and 'chinese-cut' version of some imported art/entertainment are very much loathed and aware in China, 'banning' a whole commercial theme is a very different story. "(assuming you can Google from your country)" I think it…

> I can not verify your claim since I don't play Kingdom Hearts

When you Google “Kingdom Hearts III China Cenorship”, Google returns more than 4 million results. Assuming there are repetitions and only 0.1% of them (i.e. 4K results) are genuine and unique. You think all these search results are fake?

I will also claim that atomic bombs exist. Do you need to make an atomic bomb yourself to verify my claim?

The first article I linked above [0] discussed several instances where Winnie the Pooh is banned, and many more it is not. So the censorship is real but not universal.

[0] https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/winnie-the-pooh-china-ba...

> if one can only read english sources it might be a little biased IMHO

Since you don’t like English source, let me Google some Chinese sources for you:

[1] https://dailyview.tw/Popular/Detail/1182

[2] https://www.bcc.com.tw/newsView.4791295

> "(assuming you can Google from your country)"

Because those links are the first few hits when I googled Winnie the Pooh censorhip in China. You seemed unable to find such news.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by f430 »

dang wrote: post #246
f430 wrote: post #98

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This sort of flamewar comment will get you banned here. It's obviously not what this site is supposed to be for. Grandiose meta rhetoric is particularly tedious. No more of this, please. Same with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570724 and using HN for ideological/political battle generally. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Understood but what I'm taking home here is that you are taking a side to issues regarding the CCP and it's abuse of human rights as "ideological and grandiose meta rhetoric".

You were more than happy to allow discussions of human rights abuses in America and elsewhere. I'm having trouble understanding why the CCP is restricted.

Here's another CCP human rights related discussion you shut down. I can name more examples. Please explain.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25611392

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