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Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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post #166

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He's been remarkably open every time he's changed user content (once with a post in 200...7? I think, and the single time he edited comments). I don't like reddit, and I don't like spez for other reasons (downgraded from Lisp to Python), but what he did was literally just a harmless joke. All reddit posts and comments are publicly archived by services like pushshift; we'd know if they had a habit of doing this.

> remarkably open every time he's changed user content Are you sarcastic? This is logically a very useless statement due to the nature of trust. Once trust was broken it’s hard to obtain because does clearly lied about other things, why should he be trusted now that he’s been caught. “I’ve been remarkably open about all the extra marital affairs where I’ve been caught, please trust there are no others.” “I’ve been re…

Everything on reddit is archived roughly as soon as it's posted. Any manipulation can therefore be spotted just by looking at an archive.

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

#422
post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's been remarkably open every time he's changed user content (once with a post in 200...7? I think, and the single time he edited comments). I don't like reddit, and I don't like spez for other reasons (downgraded from Lisp to Python), but what he did was literally just a harmless joke. All reddit posts and comments are publicly archived by services like pushshift; we'd know if they had a habit of doing this.

> He's been remarkably open every time he's changed user content I have no stake in this story, but how could you, or anyone, possibly know that?

Everything on reddit is archived roughly as soon as it's posted. Any manipulation can therefore be spotted just by looking at an archive.

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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You left out some context: he did that in a (failed) attempt at lulz. It was a long thread where (IMHO) he was fielding tough questions pretty frankly and honestly, as one might hope he would, but he ruined it by editing someone's post to troll them. In context, it was obvious that he did it, he wasn't trying to be sneaky. I'm not justifying it; obviously it was dumb, given that people are still using it to denigrate…

> this means he is more likely to have edited other peoples' posts surreptitiously is (again IMHO) not true. In what way can you support this claim? We’re you provided any indication or proof that this is the first this has happened? Or is the first time they were caught?

IMHO means "in my humble opinion". The reason I hold that opinion is that when someone is using their power surreptitiously, they generally don't call attention to it.

More subjectively, none of us can know for certain, but this line of reasoning just isn't supported by an honest reading of the thread in question. The Reddit leadership was in between a rock ("this sub is full of white supremacists and if you don't ban them you're racist!") and a hard place ("we're being persecuted for being conservative and white and if you ban us you're racist!"). Spez isn't perfect, but he seemed to be at least trying to engage honestly and field questions about what he had done and why. After many hours of arguing with people (and, it goes without saying, taking a fair amount of insults and abuse) he did this thing where he edited some posts in a way that seemed pretty clearly to be an attempt to blow off steam.

Now, was that wise? Clearly not, and I'm not defending it. But neither is it defensible to selectively pluck the fact that he edited some posts out of its context and use it to push the idea that Reddit leadership is in the habit of editing peoples' posts surreptitiously to push a viewpoint. AFAIK that's never happened, and I feel like Reddit is under enough of a microscope that we'd know if it had.

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Reddit as a whole is less useful since comment sections were demoted from first class citizens to something barely usable. I think they saw imgur as a threat and wanted to better replicate that experience.

The new UX on the site is unusable. I don't use anything except old.reddit.com and if they ever try to get rid of that, I'll surely stop visiting the site altogether. You have to wonder how long they'll continue to maintain two different web frontends for the site, though.

Try scrolling down a few hundred posts and your browser will literally crash because there is clearly memory leak on their SPA.

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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post #194

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I'm confused. Why did reddit hire this person?

Some have hypothesized that Reddit was trying to increase their diversity numbers but it seems more likely that she's friends with someone or has a group of friends at Reddit and that's how she made it though whatever hiring process they have. Reddit doesn't strike me as the type of place that's very rigorous when it comes to process so knowing the right people might have been enough. Of course this is all conjecture…

Aimee was already a moderator on quite a few subs. I believe the husband (or perhaps the other boyfriend) is also.

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

#426
post #41

why do these posts keep being removed from the HN front page? eg: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26567842 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26557175 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26554697 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26556187

Now this post is on page 2 as well.

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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I think it's even worse than that. They'll remember, but still keep coming back. You can't even blame short memory for it. They literally don't care more than the inconvenience they'd face in going elsewhere for forums. And as long as that's true, the things they dislike will keep happening.

Users will switch if there is a viable alternative.

Digg died when they rolled out v4 for this exact reason. Reddit was there when people got salty and they left and never went back. Haven’t been to digg in probably 10 years. Just cracked it open and it’s basically buzzfeed now.

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

#428
post #216

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I'm confused. Your comment talks about her father and her fiance. What did she do? "Amiee Chancellor is a despicable human being" is pretty heavy, but the only thing related to her in your comment is that "she forged documents in order to hire him as her election agent." Not cool, but is there more here?

I don't know anything about the case that's not covered in this article... but I have the impression she's being judged by what her father did, which I find despicable. She deserves to be treated independently of that as I am sure it was not easy to live her whole life in the shadow of what happened. Though I have no idea, I suppose her father couldn't get a job (I suppose he has paid his 22 years in jail now) so she…

As far as I understand, he is currently in jail.

I think bail before conviction is fine if the person is not a flight-risk. (Innocence before being proven guilty, etc.) Far too many stories of people who are denied or unable to post bail (usually people without power or means) and get stuck in jail for months before ever seeing trial.

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

#429
post #376

Reddit has addressed the situation here, in a mealy mouthed sort of way: https://www.reddit.com/r/modsupport/comments/mbqgx2 However they seem to be denying the accusations that admins (possibly including the individual in question) were manually editing contents containing her name. This whole situation is incredibly bizarre to me. In the first place, why would reddit hire a 23 year old admin whose greatest accompli…

This person was probably hired because they have great trans advocacy credentials, which seems well aligned to the political orientation that Reddit is converging on. It’s easy to imagine how safeguarding issues were overlooked in a rush to hire an ally.

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Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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The content of Reddit comments have been used in legal proceedings. It's a huge deal that the CEO has edit permissions in the main Reddit site database, they simply shouldn't have that access at all.

> It's a huge deal that the CEO has edit permissions in the main Reddit site database Surely you jest! Do you know how programs work? You don't think HN comments can't be edited by anyone with access to the DB and permission to make changes? Frankly the idea that people on HN thought that people who run a website can't edit the content on it is one of the most bizarre, disingenuous things I've read on here. You all k…

There's a large amount of process in place at traditional companies to prevent this kind of tampering. Commonly, it involves separation of powers, with an "Operations" team that runs the software and an "Engineering" team that runs the software. This way, theoretically, nobody who has the knowledge of how to abuse the system would have access to abuse it. Making "unwanted" changes to software would require the consent of two parties at odds - One on Ops, one on Eng.

In practice, it was impossible to debug software if you didn't have knowledge of how it ran and it was impossible for teams to cooperate when designed as antagonistic. "Operations" people needed to know enough programming and SQL to be able to audit engineering access, or they became blind drones parroting the actions that the Engineering team took. A useless layer of signaling that added no substance. And it was easy to align bad actors in Ops and Eng, at least in places where it mattered - Usually with money.

My career in DevOps has been breaking down these barriers, promoting a "shared ownership" model where it's devs are directly oncall and have production credentials to their services. Still, there are serious protections in place: The passwords to the production databases are stored securely, not typically visible to devs - They have to jump through hoops of using a auditable bastion box to run SQL commands directly on the production databases. Not that it's not possible, not that it's not done (Though good engineering practices make it an uncommon task, I think we've actually used the ability half a dozen times in the last year), but as the commands are being typed they send out logs to a third-party service that's instructed to archive them. It's not hard to get access, but it would be easy to see the trail.

That said: This is on a mature team. That doesn't come out of the box and we didn't get there easily. Many teams, even with all of that protection, don't actually audit the logs, and do generate a lot of logs because of poor system behavior.

Knowing the engineering talent at Reddit, I doubt that it's a concern. Whether by malice or naivete, it has likely never crossed their mind that anyone would break protocol and access databases directly for anything other than legitimate debugging purposes. I'm convinced that the SF bay has some of the narrowest focused minds... and also many of the most malicious.

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