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Post by jowsie »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #208
i_haz_rabies wrote: post #170

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"photos on her phone" is pretty damning.

Oh wow, I completely missed that. Sorry! Regardless, during the trial photos of Aimee with the victim were discovered on Amiee's phone. Thanks for pointing that out. Yes of course, that's completely different. Does anyone know where to find more info about this? It's such a strange situation. EDIT: There are some details here: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/coventry-captive... though nothing about Aimee…

While the site itself is pretty terrible, kiwifarms has a well written up history with evidence to back it up.

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Post by Dirlewanger »

StevePerkins wrote: post #192
testfoobar wrote: post #65

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I miss humor and authenticity from old reddit the most. E.g. the classic: "I also choose this guy's dead wife." or the AMA with the vacuum repair guy. These days just about any popular thread that I wander into, I see wide swaths of "deleted" comments. I'm sure they were deleted for many good and valid reasons. IMHO, reddit's aggressive moderation suppresses spontaneous comments and is off putting to lurkers. The wit…

I would LOVE to find a Reddit alternative, that is more in the vein of that early days spirit. Unfortunately, it seems like the only options out there are either: 1) Reddit clones, that attract people who are angry about the worst subreddits getting banned at one point or another. Pretty much nothing but non-witty hate speech, and meta discussion about how much Reddit sucks. 2) Random phpBB bulletin boards, that are…

The monkey's out of the bottle regarding polarized Internet discussions. ~Pre-2014 Internet discussions are never coming back. There's too many bad actors everywhere that have too much to gain by injecting politics into every corner of the Internet.

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Post by Blikkentrekker »

nonplussed wrote: post #180
duxup wrote: post #120

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Reddit administration seems pretty ad hoc, undisciplined, at times weirdly disconnected from the community, and uncoordinated as it could possibly be. Then again so are all its subreddits, and the volunteer mods are about as opaque and strange as the admins, with the added excuse that they're doing it for free. The fact that the ecosystem has survived seems more like happenstance.

It'd be interesting to see demographics on moderators. My perception is that they must skew young because who else has time to do all that work for free? Volunteer moderation is one of those things that must baffle economists. Here you have people putting in a lot of work for free for a profit seeking enterprise.

Which is why it attracts those for whom power is it's own reward.

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Post by danellis »

irrational wrote: post #300
prepend wrote: post #220

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> pretty insignifiant in the grand scheme of things. It was super significant in that it was evidence that Reddit employees have the ability to edit messages with no audit trail and no governance. So while the individual edit was not important, the fact that it happened was. And there is an unknown number of other edits that were never disclosed and is unprovable. So Reddit broke the one thing it’s supposed to do- al…

>that Reddit employees have the ability to edit messages with no audit trail and no governance. Help me understand this. Reddit is a private company. Is there some sort of contract somewhere that says they won't edit messages and will maintain an audit trail? I mean, I might not like that they are doing it, but I'm also not paying a dime for Reddit (and I have all ads blocked, so they doubly aren't making any money o…

If Reddit publishes the claim that I wrote something that I didn't, I don't see how that wouldn't be potentially libelous.

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Post by slowmovintarget »

filoleg wrote: post #264
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #231

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Normal rules of balance can be twisted or broken in this case, depending on your desired outcome. On the one hand, you've got the (reasonable) rule "always condemn and distance yourself from pedophilia". On the other hand, you've got the also reasonable rule "never discriminate against someone because of their gender". If the Greens, Lib Dems, Reddit, or anyone else involved had chosen not to hire her, she could stir…

>If the Greens, Lib Dems, Reddit, or anyone else involved had chosen not to hire her, she could stir up outrage against them for gender discrimination We don't even need to hypothesize this specific "if", because that's exactly what she did[0] after being ousted from Green Party due to all the pedophilia-related concerns. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimee_Challenor

In a rational world, that wouldn't have happened, but we seem to have lost our ability to say behavior A (which has supporting facts) is significantly worse than behavior B (which is alleged).

Preying on children, or advocating for those who want to, is a significantly bigger problem than the _accusation_ of bias based on preference.

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Post by irrational »

xenihn wrote: post #316
irrational wrote: post #300

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>that Reddit employees have the ability to edit messages with no audit trail and no governance. Help me understand this. Reddit is a private company. Is there some sort of contract somewhere that says they won't edit messages and will maintain an audit trail? I mean, I might not like that they are doing it, but I'm also not paying a dime for Reddit (and I have all ads blocked, so they doubly aren't making any money o…

You're missing the point. No one is saying that they're not legally allowed to do it. The issue here is that it's possible, and that it was done at least once.

What if it was done constantly all day long every day? How would that be any different than having been done once? This is reddit, the bastion of anonymous inanity.

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Post by ok123456 »

ryandrake wrote: post #26
BitwiseFool wrote: post #18

Reddit feels very Soviet lately. Everything is heavily manipulated and it seems like users are aware of that fact but are powerless to change anything.

They can always just stop using Reddit. Digg went this way, too, and it ended badly for them.

People revolted against Digg because their redesign was a mess. Reddit's redesign is an equal disaster and viewing it on a phone is impossible because it employs dark patters to force you into an app.

Yet, there's no proportional response in this case.

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Post by mbesto »

irrational wrote: post #300
prepend wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> pretty insignifiant in the grand scheme of things. It was super significant in that it was evidence that Reddit employees have the ability to edit messages with no audit trail and no governance. So while the individual edit was not important, the fact that it happened was. And there is an unknown number of other edits that were never disclosed and is unprovable. So Reddit broke the one thing it’s supposed to do- al…

>that Reddit employees have the ability to edit messages with no audit trail and no governance. Help me understand this. Reddit is a private company. Is there some sort of contract somewhere that says they won't edit messages and will maintain an audit trail? I mean, I might not like that they are doing it, but I'm also not paying a dime for Reddit (and I have all ads blocked, so they doubly aren't making any money o…

> Is there some sort of contract somewhere that says they won't edit messages and will maintain an audit trail?

Legal contract? No. Social contract? Yes.

> Otherwise, I think they are free and clear to do whatever they want to do with any subreddits, posts, or comments.

I'm surprised this is where you went with your rationale. The parent was clearly saying that the intent of the communities is the ability for people to freely speak each other. Any function, especially by authority, to undermine that will erode confidence and thus eventually cause people to use the site less.

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Post by irrational »

danellis wrote: post #324
irrational wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>that Reddit employees have the ability to edit messages with no audit trail and no governance. Help me understand this. Reddit is a private company. Is there some sort of contract somewhere that says they won't edit messages and will maintain an audit trail? I mean, I might not like that they are doing it, but I'm also not paying a dime for Reddit (and I have all ads blocked, so they doubly aren't making any money o…

If Reddit publishes the claim that I wrote something that I didn't, I don't see how that wouldn't be potentially libelous.

How would anyone know it was you? I assume you aren't stupid enough to use your real name on Reddit or make any self-identifying remarks.

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Post by [deleted] »

bloopernova wrote: post #314
irrational wrote: post #300

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>that Reddit employees have the ability to edit messages with no audit trail and no governance. Help me understand this. Reddit is a private company. Is there some sort of contract somewhere that says they won't edit messages and will maintain an audit trail? I mean, I might not like that they are doing it, but I'm also not paying a dime for Reddit (and I have all ads blocked, so they doubly aren't making any money o…

The content of Reddit comments have been used in legal proceedings. It's a huge deal that the CEO has edit permissions in the main Reddit site database, they simply shouldn't have that access at all.

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