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Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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reddit admins responded and specifically said their automod got aggressive, remediated it, and that talking about the admin is alright as long as it isn't a dox attempt or threatening behavior. Keep this in mind as you see other people claiming falsely that anything is still being censored.

Reddit's automoderator is not a wild animal that gets "aggressive." It's a simple regex: https://www.reddit.com/wiki/automoderator/full-documentation Someone edited the rules to deliberately block any mention of the name in question site-wide.

Tbf admin real names seem like quite a reasonable thing to include in such a regex (unless they're so common it's likely to be an accidental collision or publicly known) which is consistent with Reddit's explanation

The allegation is that the name was only mentioned in the body of a linked (paywalled) article though...

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Immature and melodramatic. It is not accurate at all and diminishes the deaths and repression of millions of people because someone disagrees with some websites moderation policies. It is a really regrettable and out of touch way to describe it.

You probably never lived in a Soviet country. Deaths and repression of millions of people weren't the everyday reality. Censorship and self-censorship were.

There is no need to have lived through it in order to point out the absurdity of comparing a social media website to the every day reality of life in ones own country. Censorship and self-censorship happened for a reason, because there were real world consequences. You would have to leave the country and leave behind your life and family to get rid of it. What if you get censored on Reddit? You get kicked off Reddit and go about your life, probably overall happier and with more free time for more healthier pursuits.

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Some people would argue that "censorship" would not apply to a private company owned platform. That only governments and their agents are qualified to perform act of censorship.

Many tech enthusiasts are stuck living in 1999 when the internet was this mythical paradise of unrestricted freedom. The problem is, it's 2021, and the raging dumpster fire of social media platforms has created a world where extremist insanity has become mainstream public discourse. People who believe that reptiles posing as human beings run the earth are have a platform and some sort of earnest following! People lik…

> Many tech enthusiasts are stuck living in 1999 when the internet was this mythical paradise of unrestricted freedom. The problem is, it's 2021, and the raging dumpster fire of social media platforms has created a world where extremist insanity has become mainstream public discourse. People who believe that reptiles posing as human beings run the earth are have a platform and some sort of earnest following!

Why exactly is this a problem?

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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I agree, but a minor nitpick: Aimee was forced out not just for being connected to pedophiles, but also for lying about and/or endorsing them (among other issues). A massive failure of safeguarding from the Greens and Lib Dems, and now from Reddit. It's astonishing to me that a person like this can become an admin on a website used by millions of teenagers. We already know that admins can access private messages and…

Normal rules of balance can be twisted or broken in this case, depending on your desired outcome. On the one hand, you've got the (reasonable) rule "always condemn and distance yourself from pedophilia". On the other hand, you've got the also reasonable rule "never discriminate against someone because of their gender". If the Greens, Lib Dems, Reddit, or anyone else involved had chosen not to hire her, she could stir…

>If the Greens, Lib Dems, Reddit, or anyone else involved had chosen not to hire her, she could stir up outrage against them for gender discrimination

We don't even need to hypothesize this specific "if", because that's exactly what she did[0] after being ousted from Green Party due to all the pedophilia-related concerns.

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimee_Challenor

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What's the harm in such a pointless joke? It was silly, but it's not like the meme subreddit he did it to was a super serious one like AskHistorians is.

Personally I don't think that action in itself is a big deal, but it shows that Reddit has a lack of internal security i.e. reddit employees are admins in the old-school CMS/forum software sense: they simply can do anything. (Edit: Reply points out that spez says not all admins can do this) For comparison, I don't expect that a Google employee, or C-level executive, has an "Edit" button next to every single post on G…

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Eh. Reddit is very unlikely to do that. The subreddits would be overrun with trash pretty quickly.

There are legions of people who would be frothing at the mouth for the opportunity to be given mod on a popular subreddit.

Yeah and quite a large fraction of those should probably never be granted mod powers over even something as insignificant as a subreddit.

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The cartoon depiction of sex with minors is almost certainly illegal in many districts and countries.

Photos of the Tiananmen Square protest, arguments that Mohammed was not really a prophet of God, arguments that God doesn't exist, and maps that claim that the actual boundary between two countries are on one or the other side of disputed territory, are also illegal in many districts and countries. Probably it would be bad if the only speech allowed on popular web sites were speech that wasn't illegal anywhere, or il…

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I recently retired (before this drama) a 12-year-old Reddit account with close to a million combined karma. This line, that individual subreddits defy any concept of Reddit identity, needs to stop. The overlaps between moderator groups and users, as well as the impact to ALL subreddits from decisions by the administrators, mean it is completely fair game to talk about Reddit as a singular entity. The notion that indi…

"This line, that individual subreddits defy any concept of Reddit identity, needs to stop" I can only speak to what I experience and I can't pretend my experience is something it's not. If that is unintentionally distracting from some greater purpose, too bad I guess. I'm not about to get on board with a perspective I have not experienced and do not understand.

> I'm not about to get on board with a perspective I have not experienced and do not understand.

That's one of the foundational causes to all the violence and ignorance in the world if we say "get on board" means "can tolerant and respect"

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In this case, yes. For one, the original title has them. Secondly, as stated in the article, Reddit denies the allegations: > [...] admin u/landoflobsters explains that it was not the company’s intention to remove any mention of Knight’s name, but that there had been “overzealous automaton” when it came to preventing doxxing and harassment. The admin explained that an internal error had led to the suspension of a mod…

I moderate a reddit community with ~200k users, and if I didn't use strict filtering along with a slew of Automoderator rules I'd spend half of my day removing spam, shitposts, and submissions that break our posting rules. A few posts a day get caught by mistake, but it's a lot easier to free those posts than it is to remove the dozens of bad ones that would have made it through otherwise. I think it's at least plaus…

The post was removed after a few hours, not immediately. It was also removed because Challenor was referenced at the bottom of the article, not because of anything in the Reddit post itself

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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> pretty insignifiant in the grand scheme of things. It was super significant in that it was evidence that Reddit employees have the ability to edit messages with no audit trail and no governance. So while the individual edit was not important, the fact that it happened was. And there is an unknown number of other edits that were never disclosed and is unprovable. So Reddit broke the one thing it’s supposed to do- al…

>Reddit employees have the ability to edit messages with no audit trail and no governance. How did you come to this conclusion? It is entirely possible that there was an audit trail and governance, spez simply ignored the governance, and he would have been fired after an examination of the audit trail if he was anyone else but the co-founder/CEO.

"he would have been fired after an examination of the audit trail if he was anyone else but the co-founder/CEO"

That assumes theres an ethical corporate culture which many doubt.

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