Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

twitter.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

391–400 of 462 posts

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

#391

Post by margalabargala »

jaggirs wrote: post #351
ohples wrote: post #344

One thing I learned from reading about this is that Rotterdam is the destination of a large amount of China to Europe trade. Is there really not a suitably developed Mediterranean port closer to Suez? Is there work on one?

I think the issue here is how well connected such a port would be. From Rotterdam you can go all the way to Germany through a river. Not sure you could do the same from a port in the Mediterranean, as the terrain tends to be mountainous there.

The Danube river flows into the Black Sea from Germany, though I have no idea if it's navigable for ships of the same size as would go to Rotterdam. Nothing from the Mediterranean.

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

#392

Post by awhitby »

ohples wrote: post #344

One thing I learned from reading about this is that Rotterdam is the destination of a large amount of China to Europe trade. Is there really not a suitably developed Mediterranean port closer to Suez? Is there work on one?

There's no reason to do this. Shipping cost is disproportionately affected by loading/unloading, and every other type of transport is more expensive (per mile travelled). So what you actually want to do is take the ship as close as possible to the goods' final destination, and minimize trucking and rail and so on.

I'm not sure exactly where the "economic center" of Europe is but maps of gridded GDP [0] or nightlights [1] suggests Rotterdam is a pretty good choice.

(Also don't forget the Alps.)

[0] https://bit.ly/31h1hsK [1] https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Images/2012/03/Night_ligh...

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

#393

Post by posterboy »

jaggirs wrote: post #351
ohples wrote: post #344

One thing I learned from reading about this is that Rotterdam is the destination of a large amount of China to Europe trade. Is there really not a suitably developed Mediterranean port closer to Suez? Is there work on one?

I think the issue here is how well connected such a port would be. From Rotterdam you can go all the way to Germany through a river. Not sure you could do the same from a port in the Mediterranean, as the terrain tends to be mountainous there.

The issue is that north north west europe is densely populated, and well developed, metropolitan as you say, highly urbanized and comparably wealthy.

Add to that, the Dutch have been a maritime nation at least since colonial times.

While one of the biggest ports lies at the footsteps of Athens, the economic power of neighbourg countries is not quite as strong.

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

#394

Post by tilolebo »

candyyfl wrote: post #378
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a big ship. There's no nearby facility to unload or service it. Its not something you bring tools in your pickup truck to solve the problem. If its not immediately resolvable with the ships own facilities, then its not clear it can be solved in less than a-long-time. Maybe years? Its 200 million pounds. It holds 20,000 units. To unload it would take building a facility on-site. And maybe a rail line to carry…

It’s not being salvaged at the most promising way, the many tugs that surrounds are just not fully capable, the biggest of all is less than 200ton bollard pull, together with 2 less than 100ton. Surely it’s for the reason of both cost saving and only gathering available resources from around? If it get stuck for longer than few days I bet better capable tugs would appear to end the scene

https://www.suezcanal.gov.eg/English/Resources/Pages/Floatin...

The Baraka1, which is already on the scene, is described here as the most powerful tug in the Middle East. It would probably take a while to bring in more powerful tugs.

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

#395

Post by posterboy »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #338

relevant: > If this AIS track is genuine, the captain of Ever Given has written one hell of a resignation letter... https://twitter.com/TheDreadShips/status/1374654080082120704 I'll kindly ask everyone to refrain from cracking "yo-mamma" jokes. thanks :)

Do the ships have remote control options?

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

#396

Post by willyt »

dmos62 wrote: post #269
willyt wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No they’d be geniuses because they would cause economic losses to powerful people a lot like how the good Friday agreement came about quite quickly after the IRA broke every office window in the finicial district of London with a truckload of fertiliser. No-one was killed and glaziers rates went up 10 times for a few months. It caused a big disruption to the financial district but most ordinary people weren’t that bo…

> letting off bombs in the metro doesn’t acheive anything Well, it terrorizes. Terror not achieving anything is a bold statement. Maybe you'd prefer to argue that it's not efficient or productive.

But who cares if it terrorises? I mean, I care if my tube train seems scarier than last week but I'm irrelevant. If the goal of Islamic terrorists is to have America or Britain change its foreign policy towards Islamic countries, I think that Islamic terrorism has achieved the opposite of that. If the IRA's goal was to change the position of the British government from 'we don't negotiate with terrorists' then the bombs that had a big impact on the financial centre of the UK had the effect of changing that policy. I'm arguing that terrorising normal people only has the effect of turning normal people against your cause, much like the Blitz which was designed to terrorise the population didn't make the British want to surrender to Germany, and when Britain did gain the upper hand, the British public were happy for the British state to visit worse destruction on German cities.

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

#397

Post by tilolebo »

tilolebo wrote: post #320
tilolebo wrote: post #303

https://twitter.com/AgenciesLeth/status/1374674714854105093?... The Twitter account of this transit services agency provides some updates. I already saw multiple French news sites stating that the canal has been unblocked, but apparently that's not true. I wonder where that news came from.

https://twitter.com/AgenciesLeth/status/1374634054096723970?... 2 dredges and a larger tug underway to help unblocking the Ever Given.

1st dredger "10th of Ramadan" has arrived, 2nd dredger "Mashhour" should be on the scene very soon too.

The tide is at its highest level of the day. Expecting some action in the next hour!

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

#398

Post by croes »

reducesuffering wrote: post #97
noarchy wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Uhhh it's in Wikipedia's "largest container ships" list! Off-topic, but does anyone else find it odd to find fillers like "umm" and "uhh" to be typed out on sites like HN or reddit?

No it contributes to more natural conversation, illustrating the commenter’s thought process.

Should the process not be completed before you hit "submit". There is no need to simulate a live conversation.

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

#400

Post by DyslexicAtheist »

posterboy wrote: post #395
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #338

relevant: > If this AIS track is genuine, the captain of Ever Given has written one hell of a resignation letter... https://twitter.com/TheDreadShips/status/1374654080082120704 I'll kindly ask everyone to refrain from cracking "yo-mamma" jokes. thanks :)

Do the ships have remote control options?

they often do at least the smaller vessels[1]. should be able to find interesting exposed endpoints on shodan. Pentest-Partners did a post[2] on interfering with load management software in container ships.

[1] https://www.livewire-connections.com/sites/default/files/fil...

[2] https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/sinking-contai...

Post reply on HN