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Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

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Question: If the ship is called the "Ever Given", why does its side say "Evergreen" instead?

Here’s a photo with the ship name “Ever Given” in smaller letters on the bow: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26560319

The shipping company name “Evergreen” is in huge letters on the side of the ship.

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

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This incident has already been added to opening section for the Suez Canal Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal I wonder what makes something significant enough to be added to this section. A quick scan of the page shows some interesting tidbits that aren't present in the opening (to me, more noteworthy - so far - than the ongoing blockage): > The canal had an immediate and dramatic effect on worl…

This is a big ship. There's no nearby facility to unload or service it. Its not something you bring tools in your pickup truck to solve the problem.

If its not immediately resolvable with the ships own facilities, then its not clear it can be solved in less than a-long-time. Maybe years?

Its 200 million pounds. It holds 20,000 units. To unload it would take building a facility on-site. And maybe a rail line to carry the cargo away.

I have hopes the tug solution will solve it. But if not, then there's probably no easy solution at all. Not one that costs less than a billion dollars?

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

#363

This incident has already been added to opening section for the Suez Canal Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal I wonder what makes something significant enough to be added to this section. A quick scan of the page shows some interesting tidbits that aren't present in the opening (to me, more noteworthy - so far - than the ongoing blockage): > The canal had an immediate and dramatic effect on worl…

Presumably, for as long as the ship is blocking the canal, it is important enough to be in the opening section of the article. You can imagine that if the ship is there forever, it would certainly be in the opening section.

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has like 50cm clearance. If it “sank” you wouldn’t be able to tell by looking.

Do you have a source? The boat's draught is 15.7m according to [0] and the Suez canal supports ships with a draft up to 20m and is 23m to 24m deep.[1] [0] https://www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=9811000 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal#Capacity

Am I misreading the AIS data there? I read that to mean that it's a 15.7m vessel in 16m water.

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

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For the Suez Canal a huge bomb is just going to make it bigger and easier to navigate in one spot. Blow up the locks for the Panama Canal and you have some seriously inconvenienced shipping companies. But even in both cases the result is that they have to take the long way around. It makes the shipping slower and more expensive, but it was a tiny fraction of your costs to begin with so most companies survive just fin…

I suspect it's not the use of the bomb that is the biggest concern. I would think someone with a bomb on some kind of bulk Hazmat carrier and the threat of blowing it up would shut down traffic for a lot longer. Nobody is going to want to get close to do anything about it. LNG or Oil are the two I can think of, but there's probably a lot of other bulk Hazmat carriers.

The major canals aren't around big population centers so blowing something like that up wouldn't make a huge impact. Also due to the structure of a canal (limited blast containment; most of a ship is above the surface) the actual damage would be limited.

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much like Panamax being the largest ship size which can traverse the Panama canal, there's a corresponding Suezmax[1]. Sort of like the old story of the Space Shuttle's SRB size being dictated by old Roman road design, it's interesting how modern design is influenced by historical limitations we might not consider.

Not sure if that’s true. https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/4064/how-fair-is-t...

The Shuttle SRB design still was dictated at least in part by the segments being transported by rail - each individual segment could be only as heavy, wide and long as the cobined stretch of railway from the factory would allow.

It influences other rockets as well - for example the Proton:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_(rocket_family)

The long thin tanks you see mounted on the first stage are not drop tanks or additional boosters, its the tanks holding the first stage fuel, with the central core holding all the oxidzer.

Thats because the core stage is limitted in width by what you can ship to Bayokonur by rail, especialy IIRC one specific rail tunnel on the route. So they ship the core stage and the additional fuel tanks on separate rail cars and then bolt them in place on the cosmodrome.

In similar manner Falcon 9 is limitted to 3.9 m of width as that is the maximum you can ship over the US highway network without special care.

If you want to go bigger, you need special aircraft and barges, or build the thing in place like it is currently being done with the SpaceX Starhip.

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

#367

This incident has already been added to opening section for the Suez Canal Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal I wonder what makes something significant enough to be added to this section. A quick scan of the page shows some interesting tidbits that aren't present in the opening (to me, more noteworthy - so far - than the ongoing blockage): > The canal had an immediate and dramatic effect on worl…

This is a big ship. There's no nearby facility to unload or service it. Its not something you bring tools in your pickup truck to solve the problem. If its not immediately resolvable with the ships own facilities, then its not clear it can be solved in less than a-long-time. Maybe years? Its 200 million pounds. It holds 20,000 units. To unload it would take building a facility on-site. And maybe a rail line to carry…

I think it can be done faster, there are people specialized in such tasks: https://www.smit.com/#view/map but yes, you are right, this is not going to be 2h fix.

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

#368

This incident has already been added to opening section for the Suez Canal Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal I wonder what makes something significant enough to be added to this section. A quick scan of the page shows some interesting tidbits that aren't present in the opening (to me, more noteworthy - so far - than the ongoing blockage): > The canal had an immediate and dramatic effect on worl…

This is a big ship. There's no nearby facility to unload or service it. Its not something you bring tools in your pickup truck to solve the problem. If its not immediately resolvable with the ships own facilities, then its not clear it can be solved in less than a-long-time. Maybe years? Its 200 million pounds. It holds 20,000 units. To unload it would take building a facility on-site. And maybe a rail line to carry…

Digging is easier than construction of complex facilities. If simpler methods fail, it won't take very long to widen the channel enough that they can move the ship out.

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a big ship. There's no nearby facility to unload or service it. Its not something you bring tools in your pickup truck to solve the problem. If its not immediately resolvable with the ships own facilities, then its not clear it can be solved in less than a-long-time. Maybe years? Its 200 million pounds. It holds 20,000 units. To unload it would take building a facility on-site. And maybe a rail line to carry…

I think it can be done faster, there are people specialized in such tasks: https://www.smit.com/#view/map but yes, you are right, this is not going to be 2h fix.

> this is not going to be 2h fix

In fact it’s already been 20 hours since the tweet was posted. I think the Twitter UI makes that clear enough, although reading the full thread is probably easier on Nitter https://nitter.cc/jsrailton/status/1374438210315513864

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