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'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by tablespoon »

justicezyx wrote: post #114
chronicsunshine wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Equating the two is ridiculous. The Capitol Riots were an attempt to overturn a free and fair democratic election in favor of the rioters preferred candidate. The HK protests are in relation to freedom from the Chinese Government's dictatorial rule. Democracy is what is most important in both of these situations. The Capitol Riots were anti democracy. The HK protests are pro democracy.

To curb this type of simplistic view on Sino-US relationship, and give both sides some light equally: > free and fair democratic election Depending on your sources, this can be a questionable statement. > freedom from the Chinese Government's dictatorial rule. Depending on your sources, this can be an equally questionable statement. Case in point: most of Chinese mainlander call CCP's rule as people's democracy. And…

That kind of comparison relies on leaving the definitions of important concepts undefined. For instance the word "democracy" in "CCP's rule as people's democracy" and "free and fair democratic election" is being used to refer to incompatible things. To an American's ear, the CCP's use is an Orwellian inversion akin to "Freedom is Slavery."

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by gonehome »

scotty79 wrote: post #99
system16 wrote: post #25

The CPC propaganda department has ordered its local media to stagger the Oscars this year and downplay the event because this documentary short was nominated. https://variety.com/2021/film/asia/china-tells-media-stagger... I watched it recently and thought it didn't go nearly far enough in highlighting the abuses by the HK police, and even glossed over or omitted some very important events that triggered the continue…

> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. That's because they have single party system. Eventually they'll figure out that splitting into two parties and exchanging highest power between the two every few years while still colectively controlling everything of value is way more resilient system. Then they will be able to let themselves to be hated because half o…

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Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by throwaway3330b »

system16 wrote: post #25

The CPC propaganda department has ordered its local media to stagger the Oscars this year and downplay the event because this documentary short was nominated. https://variety.com/2021/film/asia/china-tells-media-stagger... I watched it recently and thought it didn't go nearly far enough in highlighting the abuses by the HK police, and even glossed over or omitted some very important events that triggered the continue…

> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits.

The next dimension I predict will be the fragility of the CPC for being portrayed in a positive light. What is going to happen when hypernationalism and hyperidealism is at odds with the personal and political projects of its leaders?

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by threatofrain »

justicezyx wrote: post #125
f430 wrote: post #98

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What organization you represent? I'd like to share this strong stance openly. I fully support both sides to openly discuss their standings and rationale, not the "cancelling" tactics that suffocates constructive debates.

China and TW are engaged in conflict atm, and they speak in the language of power.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by rdescartes »

justicezyx wrote: post #117
rdescartes wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To keep this in context, the current Hong Kong SAR government is democratically elected[6] according to the provisions of an international treaty signed by the PRC and the UK which took effect in 1997[7]. Democratically elected ? Note that hong kong functional constituency system is fully controlled by CCP. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_constituency_(Hong_...

So what? A lot of government bodies are appointed by US president, and are "elected" only through some behind-curtain political exchanges.

Functional constituencies are part of the Hong Kong legislature. Imagine that half of the US Congress is appointed by the President of the United States.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by throwaway3330b »

jonathannat wrote: post #97
brundolf wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. We can only hope that will be its downfall.

Not if most of us keep claiming laziness and buy stuff that clearly say "made in China", when there are alternatives readily available either online or next to it in the aisle.

> Not if most of us keep claiming laziness and buy stuff that clearly say "made in China", when there are alternatives readily available either online or next to it in the aisle.

Somewhat US centric, but you may not know that the top trading partner of the US is no longer China. Also labor costs in china have gone up so "made in china" no longer carries a price premium for "lazy" consumers.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by beckman466 »

system16 wrote: post #25

The CPC propaganda department has ordered its local media to stagger the Oscars this year and downplay the event because this documentary short was nominated. https://variety.com/2021/film/asia/china-tells-media-stagger... I watched it recently and thought it didn't go nearly far enough in highlighting the abuses by the HK police, and even glossed over or omitted some very important events that triggered the continue…

> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits.

The fragility of American imperialism and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits.

That’s why they focus on creating propaganda like this.

I’ve liked some Field of Vision stuff before (shining a light on content moderation practices on Silicon Valley social media platforms), yet this feels part of the larger ‘West hating on China’/sinophobia + red scare stuff. It’s getting boring.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by beckman466 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #126
scotty79 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. That's because they have single party system. Eventually they'll figure out that splitting into two parties and exchanging highest power between the two every few years while still colectively controlling everything of value is way more resilient system. Then they will be able to let themselves to be hated because half o…

> they'll figure out that splitting into two parties and exchanging highest power between the two every few years while still colectively controlling everything of value is way more resilient system This requires rule of law to function. Otherwise, one set of elites won't trust handing power to the other. The breathless levels of corruption at the top of the CCP would also have to go, which is a difficult transition…

They were being ironic.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by wumaodang »

Aunche wrote: post #40
system16 wrote: post #25

The CPC propaganda department has ordered its local media to stagger the Oscars this year and downplay the event because this documentary short was nominated. https://variety.com/2021/film/asia/china-tells-media-stagger... I watched it recently and thought it didn't go nearly far enough in highlighting the abuses by the HK police, and even glossed over or omitted some very important events that triggered the continue…

All things considered, the Hong Kong police did what they had to given their precarious position. Compare the 2 deaths during a year of protesting to the 19 deaths within a couple weeks of the George Floyd protests. Keep in mind that they're stuck with the Hong Kong police even if they are allowed to become independent, so it doesn't make sense to demonize them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Hong_Kong…

Unfortunately it's like sports teams. People's lenses are colored by which team they're on, and it's hard to be objective.

I'm actually sad that the one country two systems experiment looks like it's over, at least the political side, not the economic side. But you can't run a city if there are months of people rioting on the streets.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by La1n »

lxe wrote: post #90

This is the kind of content I'd like to see less of on Hacker News. > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. There are other platforms (Reddit) where there's plenty of discussion around topics like this. Not to say that HN…

I don't even think political content is inherently not HN worthy, but the comment section just always devolves into flamewars and "x is bad" vs "y is bad". I would really like to see a filter or harder moderation on the submitters of this type of content.
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