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'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by skosch »

Aunche wrote: post #86
alasdair_ wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are dozens of videos. Google “hong Kong police only speak mandarin” if you want sources. Here is one of many: https://twitter.com/AmyWong01217912/status/11822963227720908...

That tweet is exactly what I mean by hearsay. A few clips cherrypicked from thousands of hours of footage, showing a police officer speaking a few words in the second most popular language in the area is not evidence that they're undercover Chinese officers.

"Second most popular language in the area" is a gross distortion of reality. It would make zero sense for a local police officer to choose to yell at local protestors or local colleagues in a non-native language that carries significant stigma in HK.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

tasogare wrote: post #81
surajama wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/canadas-gender-identi... “could someone go to jail for using the wrong pronoun? In the Criminal Code, which does not reference pronouns, Cossman says misusing pronouns alone would not constitute a criminal act.”

Time will tell... For the moment an arrestation over a trivial matter like this is a very big deal. Also the red guards are actively brigading here, elsewhere on the net and irl to impose their cultural revolution, in addition of hijacking the legal system, so the comparison with communist China is very apt.

> over a trivial matter like this

Contempt of court is anything but minor. Violating a court order, in particular a gag order regarding an ongoing case, is a very serious offense. Casting it as a law banning speech in any way similar to what Beijing is doing in Hong Kong is dishonest.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by Quillbert182 »

wumaodang wrote: post #100

In DC, it was a riot, but in Hong Kong it was merely a protest, right? And only in one of those cities were there gasoline bombs thrown on the street.

In Hong Kong it was a revolution. They weren't fighting for ambiguous policy change, they were fighting for independence.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by FpUser »

tasogare wrote: post #62
jonathannat wrote: post #13

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/18/hong-kong-huge... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48656471 At many different times in 2019, 1.7M-2M Hong Kong citizens, or 25% of the population, proudly protested in the streets and requested for their freedom. If only something good had came out of it. Now it's sunk to what China's best at: false arrests: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/mc5bah/young…

You won’t have to imagine long, in Canada one can now be imprisoned for using the (in)correct pronoun of a relative, so the CCP model might be globalized sooner than we expected. Each country have his legalized taboos, and those we had in the West aren’t more ridiculous than the Chinese one. Free speech should prevail.

From online source: "Bill C-16 does not allow for Canadian citizens to be jailed or fined simply for using the wrong gender pronoun when addressing a person.

Bill C-16 could lead to an organization having to pay damages to a person, but only if proof of a wider pattern of discrimination can be established."

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

scotty79 wrote: post #99
system16 wrote: post #25

The CPC propaganda department has ordered its local media to stagger the Oscars this year and downplay the event because this documentary short was nominated. https://variety.com/2021/film/asia/china-tells-media-stagger... I watched it recently and thought it didn't go nearly far enough in highlighting the abuses by the HK police, and even glossed over or omitted some very important events that triggered the continue…

> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. That's because they have single party system. Eventually they'll figure out that splitting into two parties and exchanging highest power between the two every few years while still colectively controlling everything of value is way more resilient system. Then they will be able to let themselves to be hated because half o…

> they'll figure out that splitting into two parties and exchanging highest power between the two every few years while still colectively controlling everything of value is way more resilient system

This requires rule of law to function. Otherwise, one set of elites won't trust handing power to the other. The breathless levels of corruption at the top of the CCP would also have to go, which is a difficult transition to peacefully navigate.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by chinathrow1029 »

gonehome wrote: post #116
system16 wrote: post #25

The CPC propaganda department has ordered its local media to stagger the Oscars this year and downplay the event because this documentary short was nominated. https://variety.com/2021/film/asia/china-tells-media-stagger... I watched it recently and thought it didn't go nearly far enough in highlighting the abuses by the HK police, and even glossed over or omitted some very important events that triggered the continue…

I mean they censored Winnie the Pooh because of light hearted comparisons between Pooh and Xi (that were arguably positive). [0][1] Once you're doing that, pretty much anything is going to clear that bar. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping#Censorship [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_in_China

Also, here’s a video of The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh ride in Shanghai Disneyland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=338iWj670N4

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by ipnon »

FpUser wrote: post #109
ipnon wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can define propaganda in contrast to psychological warfare. Whereas psychological warfare is the dissemination of cultural products by a military to the population of a foreign adversary in pursuit of a strategic objective, propaganda is the dissemination of cultural products by a government to their own people in the pursuit of strategic objectives. This definition serves the discussion of propaganda in the broad…

Where in your classification would you place outlets like RT or Voice of America then?

That would be considered propaganda. I was too strict by claiming propaganda can only be done to a government's own citizens.

In contrast a good example of psychological warfare would be when Russia organized a protest and an attendant counter-protest in Texas that were made to appear "organic."[0] So the difference between the two is that one proudly has an official "Russia" label on it and the other is clandestine.

[0] https://www.texastribune.org/2017/11/01/russian-facebook-pag...

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by wumaodang »

Quillbert182 wrote: post #123
wumaodang wrote: post #100

In DC, it was a riot, but in Hong Kong it was merely a protest, right? And only in one of those cities were there gasoline bombs thrown on the street.

In Hong Kong it was a revolution. They weren't fighting for ambiguous policy change, they were fighting for independence.

If you listen to them, they say they're not separatists...

But if they were that's all the more reason for there to be criminal penalties for their actions.

And you better hope the same happens in the US when the FBI goes after the "Boogaloo Boys."

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