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Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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Financial incentives redirect labour from useful to profitable activities.

You mean labor is directed towards actions that produce more value than simply the labor put into them. Odd, its like you think that's a bad thing.

That statement only holds if you only define "value" as financial gain. I would consider that a dangerous simplification.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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Just (pre)-ordered mine. And I have to say, this has me feeling that I'm on the cusp of fulfilling a dream that I've had for around a decade (or more?) now. Every since the days of the OpenMoko[1] I've wanted a real "open source mobile device" - something that runs Linux (or a BSD, or FreeDOS, or ReactOS or something open), that can make/receive calls, get on the net, and that I can carry in my pocket. Not being ludi…

FWIW, these things aren't really usable as daily drivers yet. The battery life is horrible, for one thing.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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I've read conflicting reports on how much more powerful it is in practice. I've seen only one direct review that said the Librem is clearly much faster, but I've also seen a few comparisons that show little to no difference in daily use tasks. The problem might be that we don't have a quality comparison yet (or I haven't found it), but I wonder if there is a performance bottle neck in the hardware. Maybe the software…

In term of CPU, the hardware is similarly shitty. For the GPU, the Librem 5 has a better GPU. In plasma mobile, the current bottleneck is on the GPU side, so maybe the Librem 5 can offer better performance but I'm not sure the improvements are worth $600 more.

In practice, the biggest difference comes from RAM speed, which Librem 5 has almost three times as fast as PinePhone. Then, the CPU is clocked at 1.3x the speed and it has twice the L2 cache. eMMC is faster too. The difference in every day usage is easily noticeable even just by how fast applications start and, indeed, the GPU performance difference is drastic: https://social.librem.one/@dos/104767475144787918

Recently I've compiled GTK4 on both phones and it took my PinePhone almost twice as long as my Librem 5.

Disclaimer: I work for Purism on the Librem 5, although I'm very excited with the PinePhone as well - I'd say it's good for its price.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Financial incentives redirect labour from useful to profitable activities.

You mean labor is directed towards actions that produce more value than simply the labor put into them. Odd, its like you think that's a bad thing.

Since much of monetary value is related to scarcity, labor is directed to reduce scarcity, not to actions that produce social value.

The pool of people who are capable of collecting garbage is non-scarce, so the price for labor is relatively small compared to the social value it produces.

Advertising is so well rewarded because the attention of consumers is a very scarce resource, so companies put massive amounts of money into capturing some of that.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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I personally think that the effort to create open source phones is the single most important technology project going on out there. We have open source browsers, we have open source social apps, but we definitely do not have open source phones. Phones that can be truly owned and controlled by users will reshape the privacy discourse, from one of complaining and legal coercion, to one of choices and markets.

Isn't AOSP fully open source? What is the point of the PinePhone over an Android phone running pure AOSP?

The point is that it's not Android, so you can run whatever you can make run on mainline Linux on PinePhone, with fully supported kernel always available in uptodate state, and without any Android abstractions that may or may not limit what you can do.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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It’s not about requiring that exact solution. It’s about providing security. There are other ways. If banks require a controlled endpoint, they can supply a hardware key.

As mentioned elsewhere here, separate hardware keys are on the way out. Banks no longer wish to offer them because the vast, vast majority of customers have a phone that, if it passes Safety Net, already is a hardware key.

This means there is no reason they can’t support the web if required to do so.

The argument that App stores must be regarded as public utilities because banks don’t support the web makes no sense. Banks can easily support the web.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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There is nothing wrong with App Stores. See: F-Droid and GNU/Linux repositories. The problem is in multinational monopolies.

People use iOS/iPhones BECAUSE of how tightly controlled the App Store is. It's like Atari vs Nintendo. If I wanted pure "freedom" I would have gotten an android, since they have at least fixed their performance issues now.

Someone could make a super-strict android app store where developers must pay $X per year to be listed and every app update is closely vetted. Nobody can make an F-droid for non-jailbroken iPhones.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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I'm disappointed that they don't support LTE Band 48. Band 48 (CBRS) provides a relatively easy way to run your own LTE network for testing or whatever. Commercial eNBs are sub $1k, and you can spin up an open source EPC in an evening, config your own SIM cards, etc.

Are you saying it's ok to run base stations in that band without a license? A quick search isn't showing me much.

CBRS is a 3.5 GHz band that's specifically designated for shared use. Priority licensing is available, but in places where there are no licensees or other priority users for a particular channel, it is available for general use on a first-come-first-serve basis, with explicit reservation (over the internet). This does not require a license for the operator.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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The phone marketplace rewards performance, and there are only two ways to compete: either tightly integrate the OS and processing hardware (like Apple does) or throw processing hardware specs at an unintegrated OS (like Samsung, Google, et.al. does with Android). At this point, given the existing application ecosystem, the best (only) option for a new phone maker is to tightly integrate inexpensive processing hardwar…

PinePhone doesn't need to become a mainstream smartphone to be valuable just like Linux OSes don't need to become mainstream to be valuable.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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> Why would this project be more effective at doing this than iOS or Android? This is an excellent question. The basic answer is that the incentive structures are different. Apple’s platforms are primarily designed to efficiently deliver commercial software. The app-store, the apis and everything else about their OS ecosystem is designed around the idea that packaged Apps, immutable to the user and remotely maintaine…

>You are right that just competing with it directly would fail. Even Android is failing at that. ...What? Citation needed. Android by far accounts for the majority (85%) of smartphones not just worldwide but even in nearly all wealthy countries other than the US, Canada and Japan. https://www.mobileapps.com/blog/android-vs-ios-market-share#...

Look at profitability and developer attention in the app ecosystem.
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