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They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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I think one important part of Gentrification means there are people with more money moving into a neighbourhood. The real estate agents just showed the building to them on the quiet day and they bought their piece of it, believing it's like this all day every day. And when they move in, they realise the quietness was rather the exception than the rule. If they were from the area before, they would have known. But bec…

No one has the right of imposing their noise unto others. Even if they have done it with impunity for quite some time.

This is really not true. There are plenty of situations where noise is expected and normal.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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It's even worse than that. Major repairs are prohibited even in a fully enclosed garage. Minor repairs are prohibited in a great many cases as well. If I use a torque wrench to reinstall my wheels (even in a garage), I'm in violation. If I change the brakes on a friend's or girlfriend's car (even in a garage), I'm in violation. If I plug a flat tire for a neighbor or a passing motorist in my garage, I'm in violation.…

Seriously, how does any and all of this(along with the whole idea of HOAs) mesh at all with the "land of the free" idea that Americans are constantly broadcasting to the world. It's meant to be the most "free" country in the world and yet so many people are happy to live in communities that restrict them severely in what they can do with their own property. How is the response to any of this anything other than "mind…

keep in mind we are talking about a city in california. the "mind your own damn business" crowd has mostly self-sorted elsewhere.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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A variation of this rinsing out of any local culture is going on in Sacramento County California, where arguably gentrification has resulted in a 2019 autocratic edict that residents are not allowed to work on cars in their homes except fluid changes, with fines if you are found to have professional tools on the premises. https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/it-is-illegal-to... Since Sacramento County is appro…

> residents are not allowed to work on cars in their homes except fluid changes, with fines if you are found to have professional tools on the premises.

When I see ordinances like this I see a 1A violation waiting to happen. I assume the council has worded it in a way that doesn't draw scrutiny or the affected don't have the resources to have it taken to court.

One of the places I lived added an ordinance banning work trucks. My neighbor works out of his truck and would get fined and towed continuously. He threatened to sue and I think the compromise they reached was he had to remove the company vinyl signs. I believe he changed it to magnet stickers that he installs and removes daily.

And it was basically the same thing; working class apartments slowly gentrified and all sorts of new rules were put in place.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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> I held out a small hope that covid and the remote-work wave would stem things a little bit, but it's hard to say whether that's happened. If anything, the influx could have increased due to the exodus from SF. This is exactly what we're seeing in the Seattle area. A lot of people in the various circles I'm in thought, as we entered the early stages of this pandemic really settling in for the long-haul, "well, phew,…

Similar feelings here. I simply don't know where else to go; it seems like every nice-to-live-in medium-sized city that isn't SF is going through this same song and dance. Money comes in like a flock of locusts, consumes the city, and SF is one of the first examples we're seeing of the husk that gets left behind. Then they move on to the next one. Where's a person supposed to lay down roots, without retreating deep i…

> Where's a person supposed to lay down roots, without retreating deep into a suburb? I don't need or want a job at FAANG or the next "unicorn"; I'm happy with my normal tech job/income and the life it affords. Why couldn't those things stay confined somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace?

Pick a city with cold winters and high humidity and not near mountains or ocean.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Why not just require that a car being worked on is registered to an owner at the address? edit: All good points in response. I'm convinced that there is no point in trying to tune the wording of a bad law.

Because "unlicensed shops" is a red herring. They're trying to make life hard on the guy that owns a bunch of beater cars and turns his own wrenches. They're basically saying you have to be rich enough to do it indoors and dodge enforcement or you should GTFO because we don't want you here.

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Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Oh, this again. This law was written to give code enforcement a cudgel against unlicensed repair shops. All the auto enthusiast blogs and forums immediately lost their minds, but there hasn't been a sweep of the neighborhoods with officers asking to look inside of your garage for uncommon tools. The one complaint I could find online [1] was from a dude whose handle was "nimblemotorsports" and he said he had a car lif…

Why not just require that a car being worked on is registered to an owner at the address? edit: All good points in response. I'm convinced that there is no point in trying to tune the wording of a bad law.

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Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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"Don't hate the player, hate the game." It's almost a tautology that only long term residents are around long enough to feel the negative effects of gentrification directly. I've been in my home for 15 years and only in the last 5 or so have I come to really understand what this trend has done to the community. My initial response to the current wave of millionaire neighbors is to resent the gentrifiers with all that…

> The system we have created around real estate and home ownership is optimized to erode culture and atomize community. We like to pretend that this is somehow inevitable, the will of the market, but we need to own it - this is the world we have built for ourselves. How is it not the will of the market? I don’t see any option other than to limit people’s freedom to move about the city/state/country.

What's pushing people out is the rising cost of property, caused by more and more money bidding for less space. If the government had done more to create more space, prices would not have risen so dramatically.

What if government policy for the last few decades had been to keep housing as affordable as possible. So if average rent in a city started increasing, the government would make sure new apartments and got built and/or expanded roads and public transit to help people live farther away without a longer commute.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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I live in this neighborhood, about three blocks north of where the car club meets. I’m white. I’m a homeowner. You get the picture.

Honestly, these people complaining in Weaver sound insane. They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community. We have a Brit who lives on my street that does community organizing and he’s been wonderful about building a sense of community that integrates the old and new residents. They should really be talking to him or Pio, mentioned in the article, instead of calling the police and accusing the car club of dealing drugs. Yeesh.

With that said, I think there are legitimate criticisms about the car club. For one, they absolutely trash the place every Sunday. When I walk down to the lake on Monday, there’s just tons of trash on the ground. I don’t know who picks it up but it’s certainly not the car club.

Also, doing burnouts and donuts on public streets sounds fun but it leaves the road covered in tire rubber and I imagine it smells awful while they’re doing it.

Those are basically the two things I’d like to see change, and in my humble, gentrifier opinion, they seem like reasonable issues to talk about with the community. Instead of having those conversations, we get white people leveraging their white privilege in the worst ways and anarchist groups like “Defend Our Hoodz” intimidating new businesses that open up. Fun times in my little corner of the world.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Real estate law has this concept of “Coming to the nuisance” where if you know that there is some kind of “nuisance” nearby and you move next to it anyway, you can’t complain about it later. I’m not a lawyer so I’m probably pedantically wrong about it in some way but that’s my understanding of it. People do this with small local airports all the time. They move in, knowing full well (or should know full well) that th…

An airport is as predictable a nuisance as a once-weekly gathering at a public park? I can see where the airport is on a map in relation to my new apartment. It's reasonable to expect airport noise. If I visit the apartment, if I spend a day walking around the neighborhood, is it reasonable to expect a, (illegally) loud party to happen at a given time at a given week? Should chicano culture be preserved? Should peopl…

When selling a property, the seller must disclose anything in the surrounding environs that may have a material impact on the property's value. For example, when I bought a home years ago, the disclosures were very long and included things like a super-fund site miles away.

This situation would certainly qualify for a residence--if a loud party shows up every weekend that makes traffic terrible for a while, that should have been disclosed.

But the issue here is with renters, and property management doesn't have to disclose that to renters.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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What about the people who own houses? For all their faults, those houses were affordable and many residents owned them. Now they've been forced out by increased property taxes. Those luxury buildings are going exclusively into poor neighborhoods because they have the cheapest land and least restrictions.

Is property taxes control (similar to rent control) a thing? It seems it would avoid some of the issues of rent control (lack of maintenance for instance), since they actually own and live in the house, so they have an incentive to keep it nice.

As a sibling comment mentions, California Prop 13 is property-tax control, and it did solve the issue where astronomical increases in property taxes ran families out of their homes. But the side effects and unintended consequences are terrible.

It is hard to tell the poison from the cure with these things.

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