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As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by School-Cotton »

CodeMage wrote: post #434
Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #379

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That is a risk, but that risk needs to be weighed against the known risk of keeping them detained.

Because a kid will recover more easily from feeling responsible for their parent's death than they will from extended but finite lockdown?

Of course not, but that assumes the first outcome is as likely a result of no-lockdown as the second is of lockdown.

In reality you need to consider probabilities. What if there are thousands of times more kids in the second category than the first?

This is a pattern of thinking that I’ve seen a lot on the pro-lockdown side: reasoning from the axiom that a human being dying has infinite negative utility. While normally a good policy heuristic in practice when all else is equal, it of course can’t be strictly true. If it were, then it would be worth it for everyone in the world to experience unbounded misery if that extended the life of one person by one day.

Clearly that is absurd. So the moral calculus must be more nuanced than “if it saves lives, it must be worth it”.

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Post by WalterGR »

jacob2484 wrote: post #373
WalterGR wrote: post #239

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we printed billions of dollars to bail out California. Do you have a (non-opinion piece) citation for this from a reputable source?

California’s robust budget will get another $26 billion from new COVID-19 stimulus - https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-03-11/californ...

You wrote "to bail out California" and yet the headline says "robust budget." Do you have evidence that California was bailed out?

How much money does California give the federal government compared to that $26 billion that it got back? How much does California give vs. other states?

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Post by kibibyte »

Izkata wrote: post #512
kibibyte wrote: post #403

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Where can I find a source for this? This is new information to me, and searching "covid ventilator" is just bringing up the same studies about how patients who get ventilated have higher mortality, which isn't saying the same thing.

April last year: https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/08/doctors-say-ventilators-... The short version: Blood oxygen levels were falling into "should be dead" levels never really seen before (even though they were otherwise alert and fine and had no other hypoxia indicators), which caused doctors to panic about pneumonia and not being able to breathe, and put people on ventilators prematurely. However, it wasn't really h…

This is very interesting. Thank you.

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Post by austincheney »

anoncake wrote: post #532
austincheney wrote: post #527

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Be a damn parent and limit your child's access to screens generally and social media specifically.

And therefore, all social interaction that's left.

That’s not real social interaction so I don’t see your point.

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Post by anoncake »

austincheney wrote: post #544
anoncake wrote: post #532

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And therefore, all social interaction that's left.

That’s not real social interaction so I don’t see your point.

I agree, it isn't. But since real social interaction is currently not available in too many cases, limiting children's access to the closest substitute is not a good idea.

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Post by superflit »

3131s wrote: post #398
superflit wrote: post #98

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You are right and you are being down voted for speaking the truth.

You both are pathetic. Go pay off your debt, dumbass, because it sounds like you're one step away from being one of the people that this complete idiot renewiltord is referring to.

Yes that is true too.

But I don't project that unto others.

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Post by olliej »

nradov wrote: post #508
olliej wrote: post #427

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I'm fairly certain that the "only" 6 digit death rate we've currently had has had a negative impact on the families and friends of the affected. If you have been left untouched by it, then good for you, but you shouldn't be assuming that that applies to everyone. The mortality rate in the US is 1.8%. That is 542k dead out of 29.8 million cases. That's nearly 30 million cases with all the lockdowns, mask rules, etc. E…

Your numbers are incorrect. The case numbers are meaningless because there have been so many infections that were never officially counted as cases. Antibody seroprevalence studies have shown that the true number of cases is 2 or 3 times higher. Schools in Florida have been open for months and they aren't overwhelmed.

Those numbers come directly from the CDC…

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Post by antiterra »

threeseed wrote: post #481
antiterra wrote: post #348

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> I'll express another one: I think the whole thing about "ZOMG! Suicide rates through the roof!!!elevelty!1!" is blown out of proportion Tacky childish mocking of valid concern over the mental health of children, some of whom are truly not doing well, is a garbage take. There are kids crying on a daily basis because of this Zoom shit and the expectations placed on them. While they will (likely) survive, it’s not goo…

You need to put it in the context of over 500,000 Americans dead from COVID. A proportion of which are directly and indirectly caused by the behaviour of young people. So yes mental health of children is important but for many people not as important as staggering numbers of people dying.

Analyzing the risk factors and suggesting a prioritization is very different than mocking people with valid concerns about children.

The "caused by the behaviour of young people" thing is a weird non-sequitur. Are you suggesting 10-year-olds share culpability for spread caused by the spring break behavior of high-school students?

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Post by dillondoyle »

dan-robertson wrote: post #480
dillondoyle wrote: post #467

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That was my first thought but there are so many potential pitfalls & problems. What about learning disabled, disadvantaged, just having no access or poor school/lack of opportunity etc. And what if you fail!? we can't deny the right to vote because you can't pass a test. That's what we did to black Americans. though to be honest I'm the type that judge people who don't vote. I get mad when people say 'but it doesn't…

You could just give them all the right to vote and rely on the fact that young people tend not to vote. It’s about the closest thing to a law of sociology that there is.

I'm totally into this. Picking the age line is hard. 13 year olds can have very different maturity. But I don't think that matters. Many adults have similar maturity haha ;)

I'm not so sure on vote rate. I hope we might be surprised! Even if not 20% would make a difference in policy. If it was part of curriculum and we tried to give students more confidence in their own power it could have generational change. A lot of social change has happened this way.

I work in politics and it very much disturbs me how often you hear that 'my vote doesn't have any power so why bother' it's self enforcing BS.

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Post by jjeaff »

frockington1 wrote: post #502
threeseed wrote: post #501

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Most of them aren’t losing a year of education. Just face to face education.

Test scores are plummeting, particularly math. Damage like this will snowball for years

So will 500,000 early deaths. The psychological toll on families as well as the economic fallout.
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