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As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by TheButlerian »

monocasa wrote: post #30
cassalian wrote: post #9

Anyone else find it strange that a country that has often fallen in line with "think of the children" arguments for hypothetical dangers appears to be completely uncaring about very real dangers of social isolation that are impacting our youth?

They were balancing it against what they saw in Italy: allowing the virus to get out of hand and overwhelm the hospital system and your death rate from covid jumps into the double digits. Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too.

From where did you get the 8 digits you clown?

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Post by ryandrake »

danaliv wrote: post #389
thaumaturgy wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking for myself: the biggest consequence for me, in terms of mental health, has been the total erosion of my belief that most people were basically good, and decent, and cared about the welfare of others. It was a choice I made years ago; I wanted to be the sort of person that believed those things, even when there was occasional evidence to the contrary. But 2020 brought a trifecta of social stress that laid bar…

> the total erosion of my belief that most people were basically good, and decent, and cared about the welfare of others Oh my god, this. When the pandemic is over, I’ll be left with the knowledge that a significant fraction of the people around me at any given moment wouldn’t lift a finger for someone else if it meant even the slightest inconvenience or discomfort for them. I don’t know how to recover from that.

In the past, people went off to war and some of them literally died for their country. Today, people won’t even so much as wear a little piece of cloth on their face while shopping for their khakis. We are doomed if the next COVID is 20x deadlier.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by lazyasciiart »

manwe150 wrote: post #449
lazyasciiart wrote: post #442

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They vent at the same point as before, based on breathing. But they were telling people not to come in until they were having difficulty breathing, because they didn't have any early treatment or any space. Having access to remdesivir/steroids would mean people should come in for treatment early, but it only helps if given very early. But if infection numbers were large enough then we probably wouldn't manage to trea…

Is Remdesivir still in wide use? I know it was given emergency approval in the US, but I thought wider trials were now thought to show a lack of demonstrable results.

Good point, I haven't kept up with it and was assuming it works to focus on one argument. I'm not a medical researcher and the evidence seems pretty ambiguous at this point. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3...

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by ryandrake »

decafninja wrote: post #155

Disclaimer: I am not a parent. Recalling back to my student days, I and my friends would be ecstatic about not going to school for whatever reason. Granted, the most extended no-school period would be the 3 months of summer break. I don't recall any kid ever actually wanting to go to school. Maybe I'm thinking of this all wrong, but I feel it kind of hard to believe kids aren't liking not having to go to school. Did…

I went to high school in the 90s and I would have killed for Zoom school. It would have vastly improved my mental health. Not having to get up at 7AM for a half hour bus ride full of tormentors, not getting shoved into lockers, not getting my lunch stolen, not getting gum stuck in my hair or having people putting out their cigarettes on my back. It would have been wonderful.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by ryandrake »

logicchains wrote: post #408
croes wrote: post #104

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Vs traumatized from death of relatives, death from overloaded hospitals, food shortages because death of working family members. And why are kids grow up without seeing facial expressions? They are not isolated but spend more time with their parents, what's wrong with the world if this leads to mental health problems. Year after year it was told parents need to spend more time with their children to built up their co…

>traumatized from death of relatives The average age of covid deaths was over 80. I hate to break it to you, but people over 80 don't exactly have a long time to left live. Arguably somebody who is traumatised (as opposed to just saddened) by an elderly relative dying isn't very emotionally adjusted, as dying of old age is inevitable.

What’s more traumatizing is the knowledge that so many people are willing to just throw the elderly under the bus because hey, they are going to die soon anyway. “I gotta eat my Olive Garden, so someone’s granny needs to die 10 years too soon from a preventable illness.”

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by dillondoyle »

mjevans wrote: post #407
dillondoyle wrote: post #113

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I LOVE that West Wing episode. A group of kids get shuffled around the white house, not important, ignored. The leader of his school group gets to ask a question to President Bartlet after impressing a staffer. "Do you think the budget deficit is especially unfair to younger Americans?" -> " a follow up, do you think we'd have such a large deficit if children were allowed to vote?" Such a good use of debate. I think…

An A or B in highschool level Social Studies (how your government works) sounds like a good baseline; but that course would have to be moved down to middle-school.

That was my first thought but there are so many potential pitfalls & problems.

What about learning disabled, disadvantaged, just having no access or poor school/lack of opportunity etc.

And what if you fail!? we can't deny the right to vote because you can't pass a test. That's what we did to black Americans.

though to be honest I'm the type that judge people who don't vote. I get mad when people say 'but it doesn't do anything' but they don't vote!!!

I think it should be mandatory it's the least you can do for our country. You don't have to vote for anyone can always write sponge bob or black it out as an F you to the system. Or better yet, work to elect people & pass measures that change the system!

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Post by enw »

monocasa wrote: post #30
cassalian wrote: post #9

Anyone else find it strange that a country that has often fallen in line with "think of the children" arguments for hypothetical dangers appears to be completely uncaring about very real dangers of social isolation that are impacting our youth?

They were balancing it against what they saw in Italy: allowing the virus to get out of hand and overwhelm the hospital system and your death rate from covid jumps into the double digits. Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too.

Why can’t we optimize the care process of COVID patients so that they don’t become a bottleneck?

Surely with so many similar cases the processes could be streamlined?

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by danaliv »

dougmwne wrote: post #415
danaliv wrote: post #389

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> the total erosion of my belief that most people were basically good, and decent, and cared about the welfare of others Oh my god, this. When the pandemic is over, I’ll be left with the knowledge that a significant fraction of the people around me at any given moment wouldn’t lift a finger for someone else if it meant even the slightest inconvenience or discomfort for them. I don’t know how to recover from that.

But a significant fraction would lock themselves in their homes for a year to save people they've never met. It goes both ways.

That’s a lovely reframe. Thank you.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by oblio »

enw wrote: post #468
monocasa wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were balancing it against what they saw in Italy: allowing the virus to get out of hand and overwhelm the hospital system and your death rate from covid jumps into the double digits. Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too.

Why can’t we optimize the care process of COVID patients so that they don’t become a bottleneck? Surely with so many similar cases the processes could be streamlined?

How?

Should we ask TSMC for 3nm MDs?

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