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Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by LunarRover »

debacle wrote: post #24

My interaction with reddit is now nearly zero. I turned on ad block some time ago. I will visit /r/todayilearned in the early morning while laying in bed, and I will use subreddits to research purchases. It is much more satisfying to remove /r/all from the reddit equation. I can't even visit my local subreddit anymore because the amount of censorship by moderators is staggering. The dark marketing, once you can see i…

What's the alternative? As a Digg v4 refugee, I've always wondered.

Trouble is that deep knowledge of niche communities has taken 15 years - a not-insignificant portion of a lifetime - to accumulate. If the site dies, so much specialised discussion is scattered where it'll be far harder to find.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

#162

Post by DanBC »

kortilla wrote: post #146
mercurysmessage wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it fair to criticize people for being gay too? I just don't see the points of these arguments. Thought people on this site "loved discussion". Nope. They love hearing their own opinions, and attacking and downvoting anything that is not conservative. I'm out.

It’s not clear what point you’re trying to make. > I just don't see the points of these arguments. Directly contradicts with > Thought people on this site "loved discussion". And this > They love hearing their own opinions Contradicts with > downvoting anything that is not conservative. Considering the heavy presence of Bay Area commenters and the fact that the Bay Area skews more liberal than most places in the US.

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Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

#163

Post by kortilla »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #73
debacle wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

History teaches us that moral authoritarianism, properly executed, is the stuff of nightmares. Society should progress, but not "at any cost" or "by any means."

There are different reference points in history which teach us different things. Restriction of hate speech is not „moral authoritarianism“, it’s a good protection mechanism. We all know that Americans are obsessed with the ultimate freedom of speech, but, just like some other provisions in American constitution, it’s a not well-thought idea. At the same time Western Europe, which constrains it more, has more democra…

> Restriction of hate speech is not „moral authoritarianism“, it’s a good protection mechanism.

Those are the exact same things. One is just the perspective of the oppressor and one is the perspective of the oppressed.

> it’s a not well-thought idea

Why? You give no evidence to support your argument as to how restricted speech makes makes things “more fair and democratic”.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

#164

Post by moistbar »

rogermecizki wrote: post #77
xsmasher wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the connection to identity politics here? I am missing it.

the person in question is trans, consequently, criticism of them is weaponised through the discourse as transphobic

Ironically, with the blanket ban they've enacted, nobody can come to her defense either.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

#165

Post by phpnode »

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #140
phpnode wrote: post #22

HN is also penalising threads that discuss this. This post has 74 upvotes in 27 minutes and 11 comments at time of writing. Ordinarily it would significantly outrank most of the other posts on the front page, but it doesn't seem to be able to break past #15. Either this is because HN users are flagging it, or because something else is going on. As Reddit is a YC company it'd be really nice to hear an explanation. Thi…

I think many people don't care about Reddit at all and perceive these discussions as off topic and uninteresting. There are better spaces to discuss those, such as /r/SubredditDrama/. If this were a new article on the subject, it might fit. But links to Reddit threads while the drama is happening live? To me, that's gossip. Edit: Disclaimer because that's how it is on the internet, I am transgender. Yet I have never…

Perhaps, but I'm surprised given the level of influence Reddit has these days. Reddit reaches about 500 million people per month, probably more. It's not "just a silly message board" anymore.

They have a comparatively tiny number of employees and those people have a very real power to control narratives. We're seeing just the tiniest glimpse of that here because the employee in question has done so in an incredibly egregious manner. The question this whole incident should raise is "what else is going on, that we haven't yet seen?". The specifics of this particular example are uninteresting.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

#166

Post by krebs_liebhaber »

spamizbad wrote: post #6

I don't get it - why are people angry with her over her father's actions?

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree [0].

> [Aimee] posted as 'mucky meerkat' [on an furry / adult-baby fetishist forum] in November 2011 at age 14y 2mo.

> Two older men were key in [Aimee]'s [transition]. These are identified on his [FurAffinity] as 'older sister' maddie_wufff (a troon/babyfur 15 years older than Ashton), and runt/feefers (a troon/babyfur 19 years older than Ashton) as 'mommy'.

> [Aimee roleplays as] a two year old husky pup (a husky is pretty much the same as an Alaskan Malamute), who is 'doubly incontinent'.

> Aimee has made frequent visits to Aberdeen to visit his lovers, and they also go down to Coventry to visit him... Aimee's official Green Twitter details his visits to Aberdeen describing them as visits to the Aberdeen Green Party. The brown party might be more appropriate in Aimee's case, and whether the entire Aberdeen Green Party consists of adult baby sex perverts is likely but unconfirmed.

> [Aimee's father] raped a 10-year-old girl in 2010, tied to a beam in the attic, dressed as an adult-baby girl called Lucy. The details of the rape are similar to a bondage rape porn image liked on [Dad]'s DeviantArt, an account followed by Aimee.

And if that wasn't enough[1]:

> Aimee Challenor... is now a paid employee of Reddit, particularly moderating children's discussions about sex & gender

This is a person who has been groomed from a very young age, is still actively involved in extreme sexual fetishism, and is now seeking out young, confused LGBT kids to groom herself.

[0] https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aimee-challenor-ashton-lucas-d...

[1] https://archive.vn/0QWKR

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

#167

Post by LunarRover »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #81
kmonsen wrote: post #33

This is not doxing in any way is it? The person is using their own name, is a public figure, posted about their activities on twitter and can be easily Googled. Would reddit ban anything about this if the person in question was not an employee? I understand the concern about harassment, but should anyone be able to get off reddit if they want to? Let's say Roger Stone wants no mention of himself on reddit, should he…

It could be that some discussion of this person was linking to a Substack article with investigative reporting into this person’s kinks and polyamory, using their forum history over the last decade in a way that Reddit might see as doxxing.

That's rather unpleasant. Graham Linehan is an extremist, make no mistake.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by morelisp »

DanBC wrote: post #156
zozbot234 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Political/social criticism should not be mislabeled as "hate". Trans-related issues are extremely complex no matter what anyone's personal POV might be, and keeping a critical attitude is entirely legitimate.

The people pushing hatred against trans people dress it up in nice language so useful idiots then go around saying things like "keeping a critical attitude is entirely legitimate". The gender critical movement is based on antisemitic conspiracy theories (eg Bilek) and unhinged hatred of trans people (eg Glinner).

Don't forget, it's also made out of the shattered remnants of the political lesbian community, which actually argued straight women were gender traitors if they didn't become lesbians.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

#169

Post by anoonmoose »

jmt_ wrote: post #71
esja wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about what the father did, it's about what Aimee did.

What did Aimee do?

Employed her father on her political campaign and then banned people who were talking about it.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

#170

Post by ohyeshedid »

underseacables wrote: post #103
Black101 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN appears to do some shady stuff too... sometimes it is users flagging post (like a mega-downvote) and sometimes it is the admins controlling the speech. I'm not sure why HN needs flagging and down-votes... because flagging is being abused all the time (and I think that some users get super-heavy-flagging-powers, a bit like low level admins).

I’ve always wanted to see on HN a public audit trail of all moderator modified, or removed posts and comments. That would give greater transparency and might prevent moderators enforcing their own beliefs and norms. Then again the counter argument, or point, is that HN won’t do that because it could open mods to greater pressure, unless it’s actually corporate policy to control the narrative. Any other reasons why HN…

Without all the information you're still left with a lot of mystery. I might ban an account, for seemingly nothing, because I can see they've created 15 accounts in the last two days to troll and stir shit up. Partial information seems to create as many, if not more, conspiracies than no information.

Moderating large social systems is tricky.

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