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MacBook Owners' Butterfly Keyboard Lawsuit Gets Class Action Certification

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Re: MacBook Owners' Butterfly Keyboard Lawsuit Gets Class Action Certification

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Post by ayyy »

TheRealSteel wrote: post #57
ayyy wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Protip: remap capslock to escape. It's supported in the OS settings.

That's what I've done, but I hate having to adjust my typing habit. It's annoying enough that thanks to the touch bar I'm now incapable of typing escape on any other computer (because I'm in the habit of merely touching escape, not pushing it), now I have to adjust again and I'm going to be in the habit of pushing caps lock.

That's actually a good habit to build.

Here's a windows utility you might find useful: https://github.com/susam/uncap

And here's an editor that's accommodating to your newly trained typing skills ;) https://www.vim.org/

Re: MacBook Owners' Butterfly Keyboard Lawsuit Gets Class Action Certification

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Post by marshmallow_12 »

cletus wrote: post #18

I actually blame Johnny Ive for this clusterf*ck. Ive famously pursued a crusade for thinness. It's said that design is the art of compromise. Well, Ive took a no compromises approach to thinness and it showed. Look no further than the 12" Macbook. One port (also needed for power), lower power CPU and (I believe?) the start of the dreaded butterfly keyboard. IIRC the butterfly keyboard's raison d'etre was to shave ha…

complain as much as you like, and you may be mostly correct. But you overlooked one absolutely brilliant piece of Apple technology: the ipod nano 7. (insert hysterical laughter). Make fun if you want, it's obsolete, only 16gb, poor battery, old bluetooth etc. You are right, but i challenge anyone to show me anything comparable, with such a good touchscreen, that is slim enough that you don't feel it in your pocket. Every mm matters, and the nano 7 has no parallel afaik. We will look back in 20 and speak with hushed awe about how well packaged the nano 7. You rail against ive's crusade, but it isn't all bad news.

Rip iPod

Re: MacBook Owners' Butterfly Keyboard Lawsuit Gets Class Action Certification

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Post by ornxka »

Am I the only one who thinks that no travel + tactile feedback actually sound like two highly desirable properties for a keyboard? Whenever I use someone else's butterfly keyboard I'm impressed and a bit jealous, but as I've never used one for long, I can't say whether it's really an improvement.

Re: MacBook Owners' Butterfly Keyboard Lawsuit Gets Class Action Certification

#64

Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

SilverRed wrote: post #20
cletus wrote: post #18

I actually blame Johnny Ive for this clusterf*ck. Ive famously pursued a crusade for thinness. It's said that design is the art of compromise. Well, Ive took a no compromises approach to thinness and it showed. Look no further than the 12" Macbook. One port (also needed for power), lower power CPU and (I believe?) the start of the dreaded butterfly keyboard. IIRC the butterfly keyboard's raison d'etre was to shave ha…

I recently had the choice between a macbook pro and a dell xps. Saw the dell xps had HDMI, USB-C _and_ USB-A and was sold. Its nice to be able to bring my laptop in to a meeting room and just be able to plug in the hdmi cable without needing an adapter. Its also really nice to be able to use all my usb c accessories but without having to go usb C only. And its not noticeably thicker than the macbook either. I can und…

I recently had the choice between a macbook pro and a dell xps. Saw the dell xps had HDMI, USB-C _and_ USB-A and was sold.

Enjoy it while it lasts, the current XPS generation is USB-C only.

Re: MacBook Owners' Butterfly Keyboard Lawsuit Gets Class Action Certification

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Post by drivebycomment »

dragonwriter wrote: post #58
drivebycomment wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate butterfly keyboard and I think it's one of the worst mistakes Apple ever made, but I'm afraid I didn't find anything in the article that mentions what "consumer protection law" that Apple violated. As far as I know, Apple followed through with their warranty. There's no safety issues with keyboard failures. Where/when does the company's liability end with their product ?

> As far as I know, Apple followed through with their warranty They are specifically accused, among other things, of generally denying warranty service in favor of known-bad self-help recommendations, and also, when accepting units for warranty service, knowingly doing “repairs” that were temporary fixes.

Thanks. That's clearly a valid issue to litigate for. Too bad the article doesn't mention any of that.

Re: MacBook Owners' Butterfly Keyboard Lawsuit Gets Class Action Certification

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Post by airstrike »

quesera wrote: post #31
ActorNightly wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing with "windows" laptops is that you can install and run Linux seamlessly out of the box, even distros that Mimic the look of OSX, and remap the keys to your hearts content.

> even distros that Mimic the look of OSX, and remap the keys to your hearts content Sadly, they mimic the macOS UI very poorly, and it remains not-possible in Linux to universally remap keyboard shortcuts to match macOS built-in sanity.

> to match macOS built-in sanity.

Yeah, I really wish I could map Alt+Down to open files in Nautilus so that I can then use the Enter key to rename them like any sane person

Re: MacBook Owners' Butterfly Keyboard Lawsuit Gets Class Action Certification

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Post by 650REDHAIR »

ayyy wrote: post #61
TheRealSteel wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what I've done, but I hate having to adjust my typing habit. It's annoying enough that thanks to the touch bar I'm now incapable of typing escape on any other computer (because I'm in the habit of merely touching escape, not pushing it), now I have to adjust again and I'm going to be in the habit of pushing caps lock.

That's actually a good habit to build. Here's a windows utility you might find useful: https://github.com/susam/uncap And here's an editor that's accommodating to your newly trained typing skills ;) https://www.vim.org/

Long play to plug vim.

Good work.

Re: MacBook Owners' Butterfly Keyboard Lawsuit Gets Class Action Certification

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Post by wildrhythms »

TheRealSteel wrote: post #57
ayyy wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Protip: remap capslock to escape. It's supported in the OS settings.

That's what I've done, but I hate having to adjust my typing habit. It's annoying enough that thanks to the touch bar I'm now incapable of typing escape on any other computer (because I'm in the habit of merely touching escape, not pushing it), now I have to adjust again and I'm going to be in the habit of pushing caps lock.

I had to break this habit as well, and also as a result of the touchbar. I empathize with this struggle, it took me a couple of weeks to get used to capslock escape, but it was worth it.

Re: MacBook Owners' Butterfly Keyboard Lawsuit Gets Class Action Certification

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Post by ramraj07 »

cletus wrote: post #18

I actually blame Johnny Ive for this clusterf*ck. Ive famously pursued a crusade for thinness. It's said that design is the art of compromise. Well, Ive took a no compromises approach to thinness and it showed. Look no further than the 12" Macbook. One port (also needed for power), lower power CPU and (I believe?) the start of the dreaded butterfly keyboard. IIRC the butterfly keyboard's raison d'etre was to shave ha…

Is it really his fault though? Apple from the beginning pushed the boundaries multiples faster than any other company by asking the engineers to create the impossible, and more often than not they delivered. The butterfly keyboard did work, it just had reliability issues (I loved typing on the butterfly as long as it worked). The problem was that they tried to never take the complaints seriously in the open while secretly trying to fix the design with bandaid after bandaid before finally giving up. That’s the problem, owning up to mistakes (remember the audacity with which Jobs spoke about antenna gate asking the people to hold the phone correct) not the excessive push towards thinness. We reap the benefits of the dogged pursuit by the crazies in the company which just means once in a while they also screw up something.

Re: MacBook Owners' Butterfly Keyboard Lawsuit Gets Class Action Certification

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Post by 650REDHAIR »

SilverRed wrote: post #20
cletus wrote: post #18

I actually blame Johnny Ive for this clusterf*ck. Ive famously pursued a crusade for thinness. It's said that design is the art of compromise. Well, Ive took a no compromises approach to thinness and it showed. Look no further than the 12" Macbook. One port (also needed for power), lower power CPU and (I believe?) the start of the dreaded butterfly keyboard. IIRC the butterfly keyboard's raison d'etre was to shave ha…

I recently had the choice between a macbook pro and a dell xps. Saw the dell xps had HDMI, USB-C _and_ USB-A and was sold. Its nice to be able to bring my laptop in to a meeting room and just be able to plug in the hdmi cable without needing an adapter. Its also really nice to be able to use all my usb c accessories but without having to go usb C only. And its not noticeably thicker than the macbook either. I can und…

My XPS 9550 had two batteries swell and the 2nd time it broke my upper case and trackpad.

I replaced the case, trackpad, and keyboard, but Dell won't sell me a battery and their batteries have DRM so you can't use a 3rd party unit.

My top of the line, i7, 32gb ram, 2gb gpu, 1tb nvme drive laptop is now no better than a paperweight. When plugged into shore power you can't get max CPU or GPU power and it's an annoying mess to deal with so it's just sitting.

I now own an X1 Carbon 7th gen and a 2020 i5 MBP and love them both. I'm traveling more than ever (bought a camper van to get out of the city center) and they are typically more abused than the XPS ever was. No problems at all. Shit, my 8 and 10 year old MBPs are still running after giving them away to friends in need.

I have a thin Anker dongle that has type a ports, ethernet, hdmi, and type c and a couple cheap backups in various bags. It's a small price to pay and all of our devices save the iPhone are type C now so I am slowing moving to one cord for everything.

Anyway...I'll never buy another Dell for the rest of my life. End rant

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