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Good luck paying for 5 years of lockdowns!
Let’s be realistic, they will be intermittent and regional.
Sorry, I only have extremely cynical answers to this. Believe what you want to believe.
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Speaking for myself: the biggest consequence for me, in terms of mental health, has been the total erosion of my belief that most people were basically good, and decent, and cared about the welfare of others. It was a choice I made years ago; I wanted to be the sort of person that believed those things, even when there was occasional evidence to the contrary. But 2020 brought a trifecta of social stress that laid bar…
> the total erosion of my belief that most people were basically good, and decent, and cared about the welfare of others Oh my god, this. When the pandemic is over, I’ll be left with the knowledge that a significant fraction of the people around me at any given moment wouldn’t lift a finger for someone else if it meant even the slightest inconvenience or discomfort for them. I don’t know how to recover from that.
You are drastically minimizing the cost of lockdowns. Demanding that nobody have any physical contact with anyone they don't live with is far more than a slight inconvenience, especially for children, single people, and those with existing mental health issues. It is entirely reasonable to consider whether the benefits are worth the costs, and people who come to different conclusions than you are probably not evil cartoon villains.
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> I'll express another one: I think the whole thing about "ZOMG! Suicide rates through the roof!!!elevelty!1!" is blown out of proportion, largely thanks to pseudo-news web sites trying to grab clicks on the internet. Certain news sites in my state spent 2020 lamenting about how the lockdown is causing overdose deaths to skyrocket. Well, 2021 rolls around and the 2020 overdose death statistics were calculated, and th…
>2021 rolls around and the 2020 overdose death statistics were calculated, and there were about a dozen more overdose deaths in 2020 than in 2019 Do you have a citation for this? All statistics I have seen are the exact opposite, showing wildly worse OD stats for 2020 than 2019 [0] Now some synthetic opioid OD stats could be affected by availability and popularity having little to do with COVID, so lets look at a mor…
Check your citation, it refers to overdose deaths nationwide between the period of June 2019 until May 2020. The vast majority of those deaths occurred before there were lock downs in the end of March and beginning of April 2020.
Your stats include about a month or two of lock downs at most.
My stats refer to the period between January 2020 and the end of December 2020 in a single state. I'm not about to dox myself, but we can use another state's data to illustrate the same point. In NJ, there were 3,021 overdose deaths in 2019, and in 2020, there were 3,046 overdoses, an increase of only 25 deaths[1], or 0.83%.
> "Overdose deaths involving cocaine also increased by 26.5 percent" [0]. How do you explain that one?
Cocaine and psychostimulants are becoming increasingly popular year-over-year. For example, the CDC reports that psychostimulant overdose deaths increased by 37% in 2017[2], and drug overdose deaths involving cocaine increased by more than 34%.
The CDC reports that from 2009 to 2018, cocaine overdose deaths nearly tripled[3], and between 2014 and 2018, the rate of drug overdose deaths involving cocaine with opioids increased at a faster pace than the rate of cocaine deaths without opioids. If you look at the compiled data[3], between 2015 and 2018, cocaine overdose deaths skyrocketed.
Part of the trend might be related to increasingly adulterated cocaine[4] with fentanyl and designer stimulants over the past few years.
[1] https://whyy.org/articles/n-j-saw-a-slight-uptick-in-drug-ov...
[2] https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/data/otherdrugs.html
[3] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db384.htm
[4] https://khn.org/news/not-yesterdays-cocaine-death-toll-risin...
Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds
#535It is really nothing particular about schools. In Spain the first day schools were closed children started playing on the streets, or playing basketball and soccer(you can play soccer anywhere). They were quite happy doing that. Then the authorities said: No, no no! Kids must stay in house all day, closed all public spaces, something contranature for kids. It was the get "in house", secluded, don't do anything social…
> You can go in a bus or car with mask if people don't talk and introduce air from the outside. Don't talk don't breathe wear two masks don't leave the house we're all gonna die. In reality kids are not an at-risk group and there used to be a healthcare maxim "first, do no harm". When did it become OK to hurt one group (young healthy people) in exchange for hypothetical benefits to another group?
> In reality kids are not an at-risk group
I thought the problem was kids were an infection vector and could spread COVID-19 to older folks at home?
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This sentiment is trying to say the US doesn’t have effective border control. When it completely does. If the US wanted an international lockdown, it could have had one.
No, we don't have effective border control: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/18/us-mexico-im...
... Does trump propaganda still persist?
How’s much Covid was spread via Mexican border crossings as oppose to international flights?
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#537Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You can go in a bus or car with mask if people don't talk and introduce air from the outside. Don't talk don't breathe wear two masks don't leave the house we're all gonna die. In reality kids are not an at-risk group and there used to be a healthcare maxim "first, do no harm". When did it become OK to hurt one group (young healthy people) in exchange for hypothetical benefits to another group?
The trolley problem also used to be controversial. Now it's: A trolley is running towards a single 80-year old. If you do pull a trigger, it will instead kill an unknown number of people, including children. If you don't, you're a monster.
I’d like to point this out as a great example of a Straw man argument.
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#538Earlier quoted context omitted.
California COVID death rate: 0.146% Florida COVID death rate: 0.155% These numbers are statistically tied. Yet, FL's economy is open, kids are in school, Disney World entertaining tourists. CA's business are closed & kids are depressed and falling behind. (Bad) leadership matters.
Note that this is Florida's official death rate which we know underestimates the real rate. The governor stepped in and made all numbers go through a special department which does things like throw out any deaths from non-residents (snowbirds and visitors). Based on excess death counts, the real number for Florida maybe 25-100% higher. See: https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/25/undercounting-covid-19-d... https://www.s…
Those are theorizing based on excess deaths. Meanwhile, when the records were directly inspected, they found that Florida's death count was inflated by about 10%: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/house-report-say...
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#539Earlier quoted context omitted.
The trolley problem also used to be controversial. Now it's: A trolley is running towards a single 80-year old. If you do pull a trigger, it will instead kill an unknown number of people, including children. If you don't, you're a monster.
I’d like to point this out as a great example of a Straw man argument. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
I wish it was.
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#540Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the total erosion of my belief that most people were basically good, and decent, and cared about the welfare of others Oh my god, this. When the pandemic is over, I’ll be left with the knowledge that a significant fraction of the people around me at any given moment wouldn’t lift a finger for someone else if it meant even the slightest inconvenience or discomfort for them. I don’t know how to recover from that.
You are drastically minimizing the cost of lockdowns. Demanding that nobody have any physical contact with anyone they don't live with is far more than a slight inconvenience, especially for children, single people, and those with existing mental health issues. It is entirely reasonable to consider whether the benefits are worth the costs, and people who come to different conclusions than you are probably not evil ca…
I'm not talking about the lockdowns. I'm talking about wearing a mask when in public. Just yesterday I saw a man screaming for being asked to leave a Home Depot because he wouldn't put on a mask. And before you ask, no, his objection was neither medical nor scientific.