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Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by ceejayoz »

kangnkodos wrote: post #20

This reminds me of the conspiracy theory book, Lab 257. There was a lab on Plum Island in the Long Island Sound that studied infectious diseases. If you trace back the spread of Lyme disease in time, you get two points. One in Connecticut, and one on Long Island, where workers got on the boats to Plum Island. The lab was studying diseases similar to Lyme disease at the time. All those are facts. The conspiracy theory…

> Archived specimens show that Lyme disease was endemic well before the establishment of Plum Island laboratory.

> Additionally, Lyme disease was never a topic of research at Plum Island, according to the US Department of Homeland Security and Department of Agriculture.

These are facts, too, in your link. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by dang »

Graffur wrote: post #45

Upvoted. People are brainwashed in both directions but discussion shouldn't be banned. EDIT: The downvotes to me represent people who want to silence discussion on the matter.

Please don't post unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments, especially on divisive topics.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Please also don't go on about downvotes. As the site guidelines say, this never does any good and it makes boring reading.

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

wallawe wrote: post #48
mancerayder wrote: post #33

How soon before stuff like this is marked as misinformation if it isn't coming from established media outlets? You know, dangerous conspiracy theories, and all that. Real world consequences, etc. and so forth.

Are you saying an opinion piece stating that we should leave open the possibility of a leak is misinformation? That doesn't make any sense.

Not OP, but I'm assuming he was arguing that, given that the major social media platforms have said they will remove any Covid information that is misleading, would they even allow posts like this "suggesting the possibility of a Wuhan lab leak is plausible".

Note Facebook has previously explicitly banned posts "falsely claiming the virus is man-made". Source: https://www.npr.org/2021/02/08/965390755/facebook-widens-ban...

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by bedhead »

wallawe wrote: post #48
mancerayder wrote: post #33

How soon before stuff like this is marked as misinformation if it isn't coming from established media outlets? You know, dangerous conspiracy theories, and all that. Real world consequences, etc. and so forth.

Are you saying an opinion piece stating that we should leave open the possibility of a leak is misinformation? That doesn't make any sense.

I guess you haven’t been paying attention to what’s happening with tech companies who get to control types of media.

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by kneel »

IMO it's very likely to have originated in a lab leak. It doesn't matter much however since there is no evidence, and any evidence of such will likely be covered up.

Being culpable for a disaster on this scale would be unprecedented in the economic reparations, so much so that we'll likely never find the origins.

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by dang »

airhead969 wrote: post #58

It seems like more Western MSM yellow journalism hating on China with FUD.

Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar. I've spent a lot of time, energy, and words asking people not to do that in the opposite direction [1]. It applies just as much the other way around. Name-calling, flamebait, and nationalistic provocations take the internet straight to hell. We're trying to avoid that fate here, or at least stave it off [2] a little longer.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26545902.

[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

[2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by viklove »

easton wrote: post #32
viklove wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN has such odd and draconian rules that should really come under scrutiny more often. We're not allowed to think or say certain things? What?

It's why the discourse stays on point and doesn't devolve into flame wars, or that's the theory, anyway. Pretty much everything has been designed to make people stay friendly.

Very Brave New World-esque. Make rules to keep everyone friendly, but meanwhile what you're actually doing is silencing people and making it impossible to have any real discussion.

I better be careful, since I'm only allowed to make 4 comments an hour I have to be very selective of the opinions I share.

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by goatinaboat »

crx07 wrote: post #21

This has honestly been my unbiased opinion since essentially day 1. I believe that the release was almost certainly a complete accident, but there's just no realistic chance a novel virus coincidentally originates in the same isolated place as a lab that specializes in that exact same type of virus. The denialists, including the WHO and CDC and everyone else, need to get real and own up to what happened and figure ou…

there's just no realistic chance a novel virus coincidentally originates in the same isolated place as a lab that specializes in that exact same type of virus

If it came from somewhere else, why wasn’t the outbreak noticed there first, is the million dollar question. It requires some serious mental gymnastics at this point to believe it didn’t originate in that lab. The only real question is if it was released deliberately.

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