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Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by benlumen »

fulion wrote: post #9
fulion wrote: post #5

In fact, it is very likely that the virus was brought to China by American soldiers during the military Games held in Wuhan, because there have been patients with similar pneumonia in the United States for a long time, but it has not been taken seriously. It just happened that the Spring Festival travel rush in China led to the widespread outbreak of the virus and was widely paid attention to

Long before the virus was discovered in China, many people died in the United States because of the mysterious e-cigarette. Now it seems that these people are probably suffering from the new crown virus, but no one noticed it at that time.

Literally a brand new account shilling a US origin theory. This is the internet now.

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by fulion »

benlumen wrote: post #8
fulion wrote: post #5

In fact, it is very likely that the virus was brought to China by American soldiers during the military Games held in Wuhan, because there have been patients with similar pneumonia in the United States for a long time, but it has not been taken seriously. It just happened that the Spring Festival travel rush in China led to the widespread outbreak of the virus and was widely paid attention to

Are you joking? > Account created 2 minutes ago Interesting.

In the United States, many variants of the new coronavirus have been detected, and the types of these viruses are more complex than those found in China.

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by benlumen »

someperson wrote: post #10
benlumen wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you joking? > Account created 2 minutes ago Interesting.

The "virus brought in by foreign soldiers during 2019 Military World Games" is a widely used narrative in government of China propaganda. It's understandable that many people believe it. It's not just paid trolls ("wumao") who believe this, but even normal people are susceptible to spreading such falsehoods.

That's a brand new account pushing that narrative. They're here.

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by Simulacra »

I think it's possible the virus leaked from a lab in China, but it's also possible it was transmitted in the wild a la "wet markets". Either way, regrettably due to Chinese propaganda and tight controls on speech and the press, it is highly unlikely the world will get an open and honest investigation from the Chinese government. The PRC simply cannot be trusted, which sadly has added immense fuel to all conspiracy theories involving that nation.

I think the Wuhan/COVID/Coronavirus can be compared to the Soviet government's response to Chernobyl. Great efforts were made to keep a lid on that disaster from the people, and the world, until it was too great to ignore. Granted, a long time ago, but it's an example of what a totalitarian government (like China) might do in the face of such catastrophe.

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by TearsInTheRain »

daly wrote: post #15

For expert opinion on this subject listen to actual virologists. They do a podcast about 2-3 times a week. https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/

Their main argument in the podcast is that the scientist in the lab says that they were not working on this virus and "even with the central control of china there is no way they could keep that secret". That argument is not going to hold a lot of water with people

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by jacknews »

daly wrote: post #15

For expert opinion on this subject listen to actual virologists. They do a podcast about 2-3 times a week. https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/

They don't cite any evidence to refute a lab accident, and the 'clubby' atmosphere raises suspicion that they dismiss the possibility on the grounds that 'we're all professionals, free to say what we want, free from government coercion, etc', but perhaps that does not reflect reality.

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by viklove »

Simulacra wrote: post #7
brippalcharrid wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think it's "extremely unlikely" that this virus was developed in a lab, and who do you think you're agreeing with? > “It was very unlikely that anything could escape from such a place,” Ben Embarek said during the Feb. 9 WHO press conference, citing the team’s discussions with Wuhan lab officials about their safety protocols and audits. “If you look at the history of lab accidents, these are extremely…

While I agree with your statement, please do not insinuate or ask if the commenter has read the article. It is against the rules. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

HN has such odd and draconian rules that should really come under scrutiny more often. We're not allowed to think or say certain things? What?

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by kangnkodos »

This reminds me of the conspiracy theory book, Lab 257. There was a lab on Plum Island in the Long Island Sound that studied infectious diseases.

If you trace back the spread of Lyme disease in time, you get two points. One in Connecticut, and one on Long Island, where workers got on the boats to Plum Island.

The lab was studying diseases similar to Lyme disease at the time.

All those are facts.

The conspiracy theory is that Lyme disease was accidentally released by that lab.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_257#Discredited_consp...

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