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Red seaweed supplementation reduces enteric methane by over 80% in beef steers

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The first time I read about this a few years back I was wondering how long it would take to become the norm. Once produced at scale, its the easiest and fastest way to address the problem. If there are any companies out there getting into growing this stuff for industrial uses, I’d certainly be interested in investing.

I read a piece about https://symbrosia.co/seaweeda while back. I’m not sure if they have plans for large-scale production just yet, though.

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Habe you tried the latest substitutes? Artificial chicken based on pea proteins has become virtually indistinguishable from real chicken.

I have. I can't eat a lot of fats due to a bad pancreas, but I'm also B12-deficient and anemic. Doc asked me to eat more red meat on occasion, so I try to about once a week. As an attempt at an alternative, I tried one of the popular substitutes. I tried it before my ... "pancreatic situation" was known to me. It made me sick for days. Vomiting, other digestive issues I won't list, and incredible abdominal pain and s…

Why not take the B12 substitute directly?

I take 1 1000% daily reccomended dose per day, as per consultation with my doctor. Together with D3, Folic Acid, and Iron.

Most people are vitamin deficient, meat eating/milk drinking or not, unless you actively substitute.

It's all the same stuff anyways. B12 is produced by bacteria living on the ground. Which would normally bio accumulate in livestock. Howeve since most livestock is fed with silo feed, theyd too get B12 deficiency, if it wasn't substituted.

So you have the choice of eating B12 directly with a lot of control over dosage, or have the livestock swallow the pill for you. Seems like an inefficient intermediary step.

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So we could all go vegan, skip off our normal diets, a huge change to the world OR china could stop running their very dirty coal plants. Please stop making everything _my_ problem when other countries do not give a rats ass.

Where's that American aim of being #1 ("exceptional") in ways like "ethically good" or "world leader taking the world into a better future"? Why is it now "well, others are doing bad things, we may as well pollute the shit of the planet too"?

really? America is far cleaner than it was in the 70-90s. but I'm sure giving a bunch of money to folks in Paris and Kyoto while they allow developing nations to dump smog like it was going out of style will fix this problem right up!

Re: Red seaweed supplementation reduces enteric methane by over 80% in beef steers

#74
I find this hard to believe. Here is my epistemic estimation: if this were legitimate, it would be huge news. I've been hearing about this for several years now but somehow it never amounts to anything. I would have expected large scale cattle studies by now but I have not seen any of those.

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I guess everything helps, but we put so much effort into the problems with easy solutions, that could be invested into the difficult stuff. Livestock contributes to 15% of all greenhouse gasses. But the solution is easy, cheap, and only midly inconvenient. Going vegan. This has the added benefit of protecting threatened ecosystems in the rainforrest and seas. We could then spend that energy on the difficult stuff. Fa…

How will we fix the topsoil damage caused by industrial monocropping without grazing animals? We only have a few decades left before our petrochemical dependent agricultural system will be impossible to sustain. Also, rebuilding topsoil with grazing animals has a side benefit of being a carbon sink.

For every m2 of top soil you repair with grazing animals, you deforest 10 m2 of rainforest to produce their feed.

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Artificial chicken stuffed with soy and other fillers can't be long term indistinguishable to your body. I wish you lasting health, but fear you are suggesting we all gamble on the oversight and benevolence of the food industry by eating even more processed, engineered foods than even Doritos or Taco Bell as your main protein source(s). Yes, industrial food does bad things to produce large amounts of chicken, but the…

Got any research to back up your claims? Your "natural" meat also contains "natural stress hormones", "natural inflamation inducing cytokines", and not so natural antibiotics. Your anti-scientific attitude is not helpfull.

It’s not anti scientific to include a prior assumption that the food industry will suppress relevant data about the health implications of processed food. They have a long track record of doing this. I’d argue that this is actually a more rational Bayesian approach to the problem...

Re: Red seaweed supplementation reduces enteric methane by over 80% in beef steers

#77

There is an incredibly important part of this that I feel everyone is missing. The grass eaten by the cows would produce exactly as much methane if it was just left to rot. It's not as if cows somehow produce methane out of grass that would otherwise just....turn into dust? None of those studies take this into account, they all just measure what comes into a cow and what comes out, but no one takes into account the a…

Would there be perhaps less feed grown if cows were supplemented with other feed? If 20% less of the cows' calories come from methane-producing sources, 20% less land/duty cycle is needed for cattle grazing/growing feed, so other things can be grown or don't get cropped as quickly.

Re: Red seaweed supplementation reduces enteric methane by over 80% in beef steers

#78

There is an incredibly important part of this that I feel everyone is missing. The grass eaten by the cows would produce exactly as much methane if it was just left to rot. It's not as if cows somehow produce methane out of grass that would otherwise just....turn into dust? None of those studies take this into account, they all just measure what comes into a cow and what comes out, but no one takes into account the a…

I've got a question that may be stupid. So if you cut the same amount of grass a cow would eat every day and let it rot, then over the course of (say) a year both would release the same amount of methane overall. Do we know if this is the same as if we did nothing to that grass - just let it grow and sit there, without repeatedly cutting it back? Because to me this seems to be what you'd want to compare against.

Re: Red seaweed supplementation reduces enteric methane by over 80% in beef steers

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Artificial chicken stuffed with soy and other fillers can't be long term indistinguishable to your body. I wish you lasting health, but fear you are suggesting we all gamble on the oversight and benevolence of the food industry by eating even more processed, engineered foods than even Doritos or Taco Bell as your main protein source(s). Yes, industrial food does bad things to produce large amounts of chicken, but the…

Got any research to back up your claims? Your "natural" meat also contains "natural stress hormones", "natural inflamation inducing cytokines", and not so natural antibiotics. Your anti-scientific attitude is not helpfull.

Wow, listen to a few podcasts and educate yourself. Try Peter Attia at the very least.

Re: Red seaweed supplementation reduces enteric methane by over 80% in beef steers

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post #74

I find this hard to believe. Here is my epistemic estimation: if this were legitimate, it would be huge news. I've been hearing about this for several years now but somehow it never amounts to anything. I would have expected large scale cattle studies by now but I have not seen any of those.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-18/csiro-super-seaweed-c...

Seems like at least one group trying to do something with it.

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