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As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by tehjoker »

kibibyte wrote: post #403
dcolkitt wrote: post #360

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The death rate in April was high because we didn’t understand how to treat Covid. The primary issue is that almost every hospitalized person was being put on a ventilator. But since then, we’ve learned that ventilators were actually iatrogenic and leading to much higher death rates.

Where can I find a source for this? This is new information to me, and searching "covid ventilator" is just bringing up the same studies about how patients who get ventilated have higher mortality, which isn't saying the same thing.

Just anecdotally, since I am close with a doctor, they stopped rushing to vent and now they treat with Remdesivir and steroids. Looking at the graphs for my state, we have about half the critical care rate at similar or greater detected cases than the spring, so better treatment seems to be a 2xish improvement for hospitalized patients?

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by r00fus »

antepodius wrote: post #370
quesera wrote: post #355

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> Even one week at home for my kid is damaging let alone a year. What do you do during school vacations, and summer?

The kid can go outside, go to establishments with friends...

Then blame the clown politicians who failed to adequately handle the virus in 2020.

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Post by tehjoker »

School-Cotton wrote: post #221
JeremyBanks wrote: post #106

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it's okay because only one in one thousand people have died

Indeed, a 1 in 1000 chance of dying isn’t worth upending civilization over. You get fewer than 100 years on this earth regardless, to put it in perspective.

Thinking back to other periods of world history I learned about in school, I can easily see how people managed to rationalize away hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths in the name of convenience.

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Post by CodeMage »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #379
schrodinger wrote: post #367

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Couldn’t a kid go to school, pick it up, recover flawlessly since kids do, but give it to their overweight parent who dies? It’s not just the kids…

That is a risk, but that risk needs to be weighed against the known risk of keeping them detained.

Because a kid will recover more easily from feeling responsible for their parent's death than they will from extended but finite lockdown?

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Post by Talanes »

ipaddr wrote: post #346
hiram112 wrote: post #236

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Well let's say there was one extra suicide caused by lockdowns. And we know that something like 2/3 of Covid "deaths" are occurring in nursing homes among very elderly who, statistically, might live a year or so longer had they not got Covid. If we're comparing years of life, isn't one 16 year old worth 60-70 85 year olds in nursing homes? Maybe more because one year in the life of an 84 year old who's already experi…

Lockdowns have made a big difference. Places like New Zealand have 0 cases. The half lockdowns have lower but mixed results. An 80 year old has a lot of life in them. Some may have a year or two but others will have 20 or 30 years left.

The parent comment specified elderly in nursing homes, which is statistically correct. The 80 year old with 30 years of nursing home life ahead of them is a wealthy anomaly.

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Post by [deleted] »

Tossito190 wrote: post #160
renewiltord wrote: post #73

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Okay, I can see how it comes across. Personally, I want America to succeed and I think closing schools is bad for that because we're damaging people who are far more precious than us (the next generation). But people get what people vote for. They could smash the teaching unions if they want to. But they could choose not to. So if you choose a path I warned you about and it hurts you, I'm happy to find some positivit…

I don't recall anybody soliciting the public opinion on action. We didn't vote, we were told. And regardless of partisan approach, I think we'd be in much the same boat. We have no control.

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Post by renewiltord »

3131s wrote: post #398
superflit wrote: post #98

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You are right and you are being down voted for speaking the truth.

You both are pathetic. Go pay off your debt, dumbass, because it sounds like you're one step away from being one of the people that this complete idiot renewiltord is referring to.

Note: Unnecessary reaction edited out.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by Rebelgecko »

Fomite wrote: post #378
undefined1 wrote: post #364

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is there evidence that schools have meaningfully contributed to Covid spread?

https://amp.freep.com/amp/4733689001 "The total number of COVID-19 outbreaks statewide rose this week by 9% over last week to 645. The biggest proportion of outbreaks are tied to the K-12 school setting, Lyon-Callo said. Children ages 10-19 now have the highest COVID-19 case rate in Michigan, a rate that "is increasing faster than that of other age groups" she said. School-related outbreaks, she explained, aren't all…

FWIW, public schools in my state are closed and [1]: Frustratingly, everyone uses different age buckets for reporting. So the state uses ranges like 0-17, 18-50, 50-65 etc. But looking at the individual counties that have a bit more granularity, under 19s appear to be one of the top demographics despite having some of the fewest tests. However I haven't bothered to normalize for population or anything like that

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by lazyasciiart »

antepodius wrote: post #370
quesera wrote: post #355

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> Even one week at home for my kid is damaging let alone a year. What do you do during school vacations, and summer?

The kid can go outside, go to establishments with friends...

Kids should have been going outside throughout the pandemic, and seeing the small group that their family had chosen to isolate with. Of course, most families appear to have chosen to keep their kids inside and not have any isolation partners, which is strange but hardly the fault of the schools.

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Post by isoskeles »

reaperducer wrote: post #79
monocasa wrote: post #30

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They were balancing it against what they saw in Italy: allowing the virus to get out of hand and overwhelm the hospital system and your death rate from covid jumps into the double digits. Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too.

Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too. Kudos for expressing an unpopular opinion. I'll express another one: I think the whole thing about "ZOMG! Suicide rates through the roof!!!elevelty!1!" is blown out of proportion, largely thanks to pseudo-news web sites trying to grab clicks on the internet. The school district where I live put out a press release lamenting an 18%…

> "ZOMG! Suicide rates through the roof!!!elevelty!1!" is blown out of proportion

Wow what a brave thing to do, arguing with a straw man.

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