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As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Tell that to Italy. Their death rate was in the double digits when hospital capacity was overrun.

When compared to people tested positive, when they only had resources to test the people they were pretty sure were infected. Their death rate in April was the same as the peak of the second wave in December.

The denominator for that calculation was not “all COVID infections”.

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Okay, I can see how it comes across. Personally, I want America to succeed and I think closing schools is bad for that because we're damaging people who are far more precious than us (the next generation). But people get what people vote for. They could smash the teaching unions if they want to. But they could choose not to. So if you choose a path I warned you about and it hurts you, I'm happy to find some positivit…

I don't recall anybody soliciting the public opinion on action. We didn't vote, we were told. And regardless of partisan approach, I think we'd be in much the same boat. We have no control.

Yeah. Adding on to this, I don't claim to deeply understand SF city politics, but from what I can see all the partisan Democratic elected officials like Mayor London Breed have been pretty forceful in condemning the school board and union for not opening schools and focusing on things like renaming them. Breed has been advocating pretty heavily for school reopening for months, at least since September, and speaks and supports parents protesting for school reopening. City Hall recently sued the school district and it seems like they are pulling out all the stops, such as trying to bring the governor into this.

It actually seems to be the entirely nonpartisan elected officials at the school board and the teacher's union who are pushing back. A lot of the school board is former teachers (that's most of the people who run anyway), which means there's not a ton of representation for parent's interests there.

I don't think the voters should ever be blamed for "shooting themselves in the foot" and suffering regardless of who they elect, but in this case it makes even less sense. And I certainly can't take any joy from this situation that is hurting so many. I feel the same way about failures from officials impacting people with different politics than me.

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If that bothers you, replace it with "Having one or both parents spend the rest of their children's lives in graves isn't exactly great for kids either." > frankly, made-up thing The CDC disagrees with your opinion. From the CDC's "Long-Term Effects of COVID-19" article[1]: > The most commonly reported long-term symptoms include: > Fatigue, Shortness of breath, Cough, Joint pain, Chest pain > Other reported long-term…

Much like it is literally impossible to prove antibodies for COVID-19 last for greater than a year, because the illness has not been around long enough to prove such a thing, it is also impossible to prove COVID-19 symptoms can last greater than a year.

Large fractions of people sick with SARS 1 in 2003 are still dealing with it.

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So you're saying that the largest source of funding for primary and secondary public schools is the local government (state? county?), as opposed to the federal government? And that as such your place of living is the deciding factor for the quality of public education available to you? Areas with poor people in them also gather less tax money, meaning they can't provide the residents with quality education, meaning…

Bingo. Schools in the US are usually funded by property taxes, which leads to all the effects you just named.

Thank you. This makes it so much easier to understand more about the US public school system and how it is sometimes portrayed as piss poor (season four of The Wire pops to mind).

Is this something that is being discussed on a wider policy level? I believe it's a universally agreed upon fact that the quality of primary education is the single most important factor in helping people escape poverty. This should work equally well in rural Nigeria, suburban Oslo and West Baltimore.

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I've always found the statement "how bad the US public education system is" and ones like it to be far too simplistic. It's a country of 350 million people, with perhaps the most staggering differences in educational outcomes of any developed nation on Earth. Where I grew up in New England and in many of the surrounding areas, public education was incredibly well funded, teachers were paid very, very well relative to…

So you're saying that the largest source of funding for primary and secondary public schools is the local government (state? county?), as opposed to the federal government? And that as such your place of living is the deciding factor for the quality of public education available to you? Areas with poor people in them also gather less tax money, meaning they can't provide the residents with quality education, meaning…

It often doesn't really work that way though, especially if you contrast suburban and urban school systems. It's not at all uncommon for urban systems with poor educational outcomes on average to outspend on a per-student basis middle-class suburbs. So it's not as simple as throwing money at the problem.

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To me, this fact makes it even more shocking how bad the US public education system is. How can it so effectively continue to fail to provide social mobility at scale? Where is all this money being spent? Not at least on teachers' salaries, I guess?

I've always found the statement "how bad the US public education system is" and ones like it to be far too simplistic. It's a country of 350 million people, with perhaps the most staggering differences in educational outcomes of any developed nation on Earth. Where I grew up in New England and in many of the surrounding areas, public education was incredibly well funded, teachers were paid very, very well relative to…

>It's a country of 350 million people, with perhaps the most staggering differences in educational outcomes of any developed nation on Earth.

Economy depends on productivity and innovation. Who would've thought that the people like Gates, Jobs, Zuckerberg and Ellison would create so much wealth and so many jobs without college degree. Robust US economy enabled them bringing their innovation to fruition but I'm afraid if they lived in another country they wouldn't be able to do that. Of course every country depends on higher education but sometimes creativity can outperform formal education.

I think public vs private is irrelevant because if you are productive as a worker or innovative as a entrepreneur result is the only thing that counts.

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Link sources. Prediction: you are quoting the meaningless CFR number rather than reliable estimates of IFR.

Early on, like in March of last year when Italy hit their double digit death rate, CFR was very meaningful. It's only when the breakdown was so bad that they couldn't meaningfully trace anymore that CFR stopped mattering.

Italy stopped having meaningful Covid tracing well before their first detected Covid-related death in February last year. They'd reported zero cases in the weeks leading up to it and there are a whole bunch of reasons to suspect that was a massive, massive underestimate. (I think they also imposed measures like school closures pretty soon after this. It didn't seem to help much.)

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if US really cared about children they would ended the humanitarian crisis in Yemen... so far 85 000+ children under 5 starved to death and they saying 400,000 are going to if this blockade doesn't end.

It's up to the U.S. to fix every single problem?

From[1]:

> Meanwhile, aid agencies say the embargo imposed by the U.S. (and UK-backed) Arab coalition has had dramatic effect with about 80% of population in urgent need of vital resources such as food, water and medical supplies. Saudi Arabia, reportedly relying on U.S. intelligence reports and surveillance images for target selection, began airstrikes, some of which were against weapons and aircraft. The U.S. has dispatched warships in the region after Houthi missiles targeted the UAE-operated HSV-2 Swift, which some critics interpreted as the U.S. reinforcing the coalition blockade. According to Iranian sources, it has refueled Saudi planes, sent the Saudi military targeting intelligence, and resupplied them with tens of billions of dollars worth of bombs. The U.S. (and the UK) support the effort through arms sales and technical assistance. Amnesty International urged the U.S. and the UK to stop supplying arms to Saudi Arabia and to the Saudi-led coalition. It has been reported that U.S. is regarded as an indirect partner for Saudi Arabia in the war and blockade on Yemen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_Yemen#United_State...

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Anyone else find it strange that a country that has often fallen in line with "think of the children" arguments for hypothetical dangers appears to be completely uncaring about very real dangers of social isolation that are impacting our youth?

Well, it is for the good of children as the worst thing a child can get is "implicit racism" that can't be cleansed.

As teacher's union repeatedly said, reopening schools even in this December is "a recipe for propagating structural racism". See? what's bigger than racism? Nothing is bigger than racisms, be it truths, problems, issues, or challenges in the US.

So, if you dare to mention reopening the school again, you're a racist. If you dare to discuss education reform, you're a damn racist. If you dare to challenge teachers union, you're a racist. Case closed.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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They were balancing it against what they saw in Italy: allowing the virus to get out of hand and overwhelm the hospital system and your death rate from covid jumps into the double digits. Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too.

Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too. Kudos for expressing an unpopular opinion. I'll express another one: I think the whole thing about "ZOMG! Suicide rates through the roof!!!elevelty!1!" is blown out of proportion, largely thanks to pseudo-news web sites trying to grab clicks on the internet. The school district where I live put out a press release lamenting an 18%…

Not only unpopular, but probably prematurely incorrect.

"Mental health consequences of the COVID-19 crisis including suicidal behavior are likely to be present for a long time and peak later than the actual pandemic."

https://academic.oup.com/qjmed/article/113/10/707/5857612

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