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As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by scurvy »

monocasa wrote: post #85
lettergram wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not the whole country. It’s largely the propagation of fear from the media and the teachers unions who don’t want to work (and the politicians trying to push large stimulus checks to the unions). For instance, Florida never shut down schools. In contrast, Chicago and SF teachers unions are/were pushing to keep schools closed. The “science” (note: much of it is not peer reviewed) thus far indicates it’s safe to o…

The teachers I know have been working harder under lockdown than they did during in person.

There's often a large disconnect between teacher's union leadership and membership. Probably not unlike most union compositions in the US.

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Post by SkyMarshal »

cassalian wrote: post #9

Anyone else find it strange that a country that has often fallen in line with "think of the children" arguments for hypothetical dangers appears to be completely uncaring about very real dangers of social isolation that are impacting our youth?

Well the decision is to either send them to school and risk them all getting infected with and becoming superspreaders of a novel, fast-spreading virus that we don't fully understand yet, or keep them home and risk mental health issues from social isolation.

We chose the less harmful option, it's not that complicated. There's no conspiracy here.

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Post by tinus_hn »

fukmbas wrote: post #215

It is what it is. We all made sacrifices during the pandemic. This had to happen in order to save lives. The only thing that matters is what we do going forward.

I suggest we start by not trivializing ‘depression, eating disorders, neglect and emotional, physical or sexual abuse’ as simply ‘a sacrifice that had to happen in order to save lives’.

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Post by standardUser »

rcpt wrote: post #252
cassalian wrote: post #9

Anyone else find it strange that a country that has often fallen in line with "think of the children" arguments for hypothetical dangers appears to be completely uncaring about very real dangers of social isolation that are impacting our youth?

Having one or both parents spend the rest of their lives suffering from a chronic illness isn't exactly great for kids either.

"Rest of their lives" is a pretty bold and, frankly, made-up thing to say about an illness that has barely existed for a year.

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Post by rajin444 »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #206
offby37years wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California COVID death rate: 0.146% Florida COVID death rate: 0.155% These numbers are statistically tied. Yet, FL's economy is open, kids are in school, Disney World entertaining tourists. CA's business are closed & kids are depressed and falling behind. (Bad) leadership matters.

Florida is currently facing a $2-$3 billion tax shortfall (numbers vary depending on the time of projection [0]) and California is facing a budget surplus [1]. There are details around this like one-off capital gains and tax rates and budget cuts, but the overall story is that FL had a slightly higher death rate than CA in exchange for an overall economy that isn't doing so well. Some of this is due to the fact that…

Will you adjust your priors after seeing death rates between California and Florida are roughly the same?

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Post by tinus_hn »

monocasa wrote: post #244
tinus_hn wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When compared to people tested positive, when they only had resources to test the people they were pretty sure were infected. Their death rate in April was the same as the peak of the second wave in December.

They had already instituted a heavy lockdown by April.

Not sure what that has to do with anything, but if April’s not it, when was that double digit death rate?

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Post by heavyset_go »

standardUser wrote: post #274
rcpt wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having one or both parents spend the rest of their lives suffering from a chronic illness isn't exactly great for kids either.

"Rest of their lives" is a pretty bold and, frankly, made-up thing to say about an illness that has barely existed for a year.

If that bothers you, replace it with "Having one or both parents spend the rest of their children's lives in graves isn't exactly great for kids either."

> frankly, made-up thing

The CDC disagrees with your opinion. From the CDC's "Long-Term Effects of COVID-19" article[1]:

> The most commonly reported long-term symptoms include:

> Fatigue, Shortness of breath, Cough, Joint pain, Chest pain

> Other reported long-term symptoms include:

> Difficulty with thinking and concentration (sometimes referred to as “brain fog”), Depression, Muscle pain, Headache, Intermittent fever, Fast-beating or pounding heart (also known as heart palpitations)

> More serious long-term complications appear to be less common but have been reported. These have been noted to affect different organ systems in the body. These include:

> Cardiovascular: inflammation of the heart muscle

> Respiratory: lung function abnormalities

> Renal: acute kidney injury

> Dermatologic: rash, hair loss

> Neurological: smell and taste problems, sleep issues, difficulty with concentration, memory problems

> Psychiatric: depression, anxiety, changes in mood

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects....

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by dehrmann »

decafninja wrote: post #155

Disclaimer: I am not a parent. Recalling back to my student days, I and my friends would be ecstatic about not going to school for whatever reason. Granted, the most extended no-school period would be the 3 months of summer break. I don't recall any kid ever actually wanting to go to school. Maybe I'm thinking of this all wrong, but I feel it kind of hard to believe kids aren't liking not having to go to school. Did…

> some kids might be having a hard time not meeting and playing with their friends

Probably most kids. Socializing is one of the most important things you learn in school.

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Post by primitivesuave »

thaumaturgy wrote: post #132
inglor_cz wrote: post #12

I am neither in the U.S. nor a student, not even an extrovert - and I still feel the effects of our local lockdown on my mental stability. So does my wife, who is usually more resilient than I am. This will have a lot of subtle consequences down the line.

Speaking for myself: the biggest consequence for me, in terms of mental health, has been the total erosion of my belief that most people were basically good, and decent, and cared about the welfare of others. It was a choice I made years ago; I wanted to be the sort of person that believed those things, even when there was occasional evidence to the contrary. But 2020 brought a trifecta of social stress that laid bar…

I felt the same way. I live in San Francisco which has overwhelmingly supported liberal policies for many years. The young progressives, who have the most free time and money to “fight” for their fellow human beings, were the ones buying up all the meat, eggs and toilet paper when this thing started.

I work on vaccine scheduling for a large health system. We are now dealing with a large influx of young people lying about having a chronic illness to jump the vaccine line (the requirement for verification was recently lifted).

I’ve grown pretty disillusioned and can now see there is major hypocrisy on both sides.

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Post by monocasa »

tinus_hn wrote: post #276
monocasa wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They had already instituted a heavy lockdown by April.

Not sure what that has to do with anything, but if April’s not it, when was that double digit death rate?

End of March. Which is what led to the extremely heavy lockdowns in April.
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