This is not fair - whoever has donated and whatever party he supports. For sure, we all know Germany's history and we know that we need to take care about what nationalist parties are doing. But it is not fair to publish a list of people who have donated. It is your right to stay private!
To conclude: There are more severe threats: business men insuits, people who underpay workers. In Germany, the NPD is not the most serious threat.
Leaked NPD(German right wing party) donors-list meets Google maps
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#22Source: http://hop2.nn-crew.cc/npd/ Slightly edited Google Translate: First, a few words in advance. I am a proud German, I love Germany above everything, and I do everything in my power to improve the image of Germany. If politics or the law will prosecute me, my heart aches. Because if they doe, all the great words of politicians are vain. Words such as: we will not allow that brings the NPD or the right wing of ou…
"I am a proud German, I love Germany above everything, and I do everything in my power to improve the image of Germany." First step: Don't ever talk like that.
I'm German and have no love for (any really. I just don't seem to "get" it) the country. Your comment surprised me though, because it was very short (abd therefor seemed arbitrary, snarky).
Thanks a lot for explaining your reasons later on - it was only then that I actually clicked the link above and read the original german text. Your point is great. I wouldn't want to have a beer with someone writing like this guy.
But you did yourself a disfavor by replying in this terse style at first.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
i'm not sure if you're alluding to something in particular or trying to make a joke. but saying that its frowned upon to be proud of your own country (regardless of country), is to me, not a nice thing to say. singling germany out forever because of past events is dis-ingenious. i would say that anyone whose nose gets bent out of shape because a german says they are proud of their country probably needs to take a sec…
It's not just patriotism and being proud of your country. It's the specific phrases. "Deutschland über Alles" (as in the original text of the hacker) is pretty tied to a specific era and best left alone as a phrase. Actually, "I'm proud to be German" as a phrase is tied to right-wing propaganda, too. The Wikipedia article on patriotism has a nice statistic, although it's a bit old[1]. A few countries were asked how p…
ok, I think I know what you're going for.
My response was based on the fact that many germans feel that they cannot express their patriotism because of how other countries/people/stereotypes will view them. intentions be damned. that was one of the great things about the 2006 world cup here. that all disappeared.
I think it is safe to say that what was written in the article was done so deliberately to get a rise from people who want to be a bit "ra-ra".
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
We had some bad experiences with "Deutschland über Alles" a couple of years ago, so "proud to be a German" and things like that are frowned upon, as they evoke the wrong images. I leave the discussion about the merits of patriotism out of this, as it really doesn't matter that much here. This is more about advertising than content, and repeating the now unsung verses of the national anthem is generally considered a b…
I'm not a big fan of patriotism either but saying your proud of your country is basiclly what almost everybody in every country sais.
I agree with his points (now): It's not the pride in itself (we can argue if that is helpful, but that's not what mhd critizises). It's the phrase used (or - a couple of phrases, plus maybe the general tone) that leads to really nasty subtext.
The translation is incomplete. He didn't write "Ich bin stolz auf Deutschland" (I'm proud of Germany), he used "Ich bin ein stolzer Deutscher" (I'm a proud German), a phrase that is heavily (ab)used by the far right, the extremists.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
as a non-german living in germany, why?
If you are proud of your country it means that you associate value with everything that is connected to the country. This value is intrinsic (for example everything manufactured in Germany has an intrinsic value because it is of German origin and you are proud of Germany). The problem is that this line of thought automatically devalues everything not from your own country if it can be compared to something from your…
> The problem is that this line of thought automatically devalues everything not from your own country if it can be compared to something from your own country.
No. Valuing something does not automatically devalue everything else. If I say "I like German food", I'm not implying that I'm not liking Korean food or something.
People really are capable of liking more than one thing.
In consequence I don't see any problem with loving your country, as long as you don't take the step of hating or devaluing everything else.
Re: Leaked NPD(German right wing party) donors-list meets Google maps
#26Why is it that people support secret ballot, but not secret donation? Both are forms of political support, and making them public can in theory prevent people from expressing their true views. So why is the secrecy of one protected, but not the other?
My opinion: In a democracy, ideally every one should have the same amount of voting power. Independent of social status, power and wealth. Secret of vote, is there to prevent bribery and blackmail. Hence, even a poor and powerless person can vote, according to their heart. In contrast, donations to politicians and parties, are an attempt to "buy" elections.
You could make it so that even the receiver of the donation doesn't know where the money comes from.
Re: Leaked NPD(German right wing party) donors-list meets Google maps
#27Why is it that people support secret ballot, but not secret donation? Both are forms of political support, and making them public can in theory prevent people from expressing their true views. So why is the secrecy of one protected, but not the other?
My opinion: In a democracy, ideally every one should have the same amount of voting power. Independent of social status, power and wealth. Secret of vote, is there to prevent bribery and blackmail. Hence, even a poor and powerless person can vote, according to their heart. In contrast, donations to politicians and parties, are an attempt to "buy" elections.
It's like drugs and weapons: if you ban legal donations, you'll get a democracy funded by illegal donations.
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#28Source: http://hop2.nn-crew.cc/npd/ Slightly edited Google Translate: First, a few words in advance. I am a proud German, I love Germany above everything, and I do everything in my power to improve the image of Germany. If politics or the law will prosecute me, my heart aches. Because if they doe, all the great words of politicians are vain. Words such as: we will not allow that brings the NPD or the right wing of ou…
"We will do everything to the NPD or the Nazis to stop them." - so would they e.g. torch their HQ building, assuming no one is inside? I'm not the greatest fan of either Sony or this German party, but I find the idea of vigilantism quite disturbing. Don't anyone dare approach the Internet if their political views don't align with those of Anonymous.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you are proud of your country it means that you associate value with everything that is connected to the country. This value is intrinsic (for example everything manufactured in Germany has an intrinsic value because it is of German origin and you are proud of Germany). The problem is that this line of thought automatically devalues everything not from your own country if it can be compared to something from your…
> The problem is that this line of thought automatically devalues everything not from your own country if it can be compared to something from your own country. No. Valuing something does not automatically devalue everything else. If I say "I like German food", I'm not implying that I'm not liking Korean food or something. People really are capable of liking more than one thing. In consequence I don't see any problem…
> If I say "I like German food", I'm not implying that I'm not liking Korean food or something.
Except, that's not what the original quote said.
> I am a proud German, I love Germany above everything, and I do everything in my power to improve the image of Germany.
I am a proud German, I love German food above everything, and I do everything in my power to improve the image of German food.
Apples to oranges.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
We had some bad experiences with "Deutschland über Alles" a couple of years ago, so "proud to be a German" and things like that are frowned upon, as they evoke the wrong images. I leave the discussion about the merits of patriotism out of this, as it really doesn't matter that much here. This is more about advertising than content, and repeating the now unsung verses of the national anthem is generally considered a b…
I'm not a big fan of patriotism either but saying your proud of your country is basiclly what almost everybody in every country sais.
You must not be Canadian.
The whole "I'm proud to be X" would sound a bit rude or ignorant in my circles.