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Re: Ask HN: How to build empathy?

#51
> How did you develop your listening skill?

This is a good question, and something I am personally probably still struggling with. I feel like the greatest progress I have made on this is focusing more on listening, and less on conversing or having answers. People generally appreciate if you take their concerns seriously, but are easily offended if you offer obvious advice that brushes their concerns aside.

> How to be more empathetic?

According to some research [1], reading literary fiction has a greatly positive impact on empathy and the capacity to process emotions. I have even heard the argument that the boom in novel production in 18th century England created a cultural shift, as the increased capacity for empathy made people more morally conscious on a variety of issues.

As I believe that giving a somewhat empirically grounded answer is very much in line with the spirit of this forum, I shall therefore suggest everyone to read more novels.

> What common failure modes do you hit in your relationships as a low empathy person?

I don't think that having low empathy has ever been a "failure mode" to me -- but regardless, I feel like I have emotionally matured in a way that I wouldn't describe myself as "low empathy" anymore. It's certainly an issue when trying to pick up girls, though. (Wouldn't it be so nice if you just knew people's intentions?)

> How do you avoid them?

The crucial thing is that when you have a conversation, you should try to be mindful of what the other person is looking for, even on an emotional and possibly unconscious level, and try to accomodate that first and foremost. This always involves some guesswork, but it is worth it to try and make an effort. As noted elsewhere in this thread, often people just want to talk for support and are not looking to solve a problem. This can cause some friction with math-sy people, who often have a strong urge to start running solutionizing when encountering an unbalanced equation.

Taking my own advice here, I also want to tell you, OP, that it's not really an issue to not be great at those things. This is by no means limited to technical people, and I actually believe that most people struggle with this sometimes: there's the marketing manager who will stop you at the water cooler and talk at you for 10 minutes about the amazing new project she's doing, with you awkwardly trying to exit the conversation; and there's the menial worker who feels awkward around "smart" people, often avoiding them altogether, as if he felt they could bite him; and so on. In the end, we're all just human, and the important thing is that we're here to learn to respect and understand each other. You seem to be on that journey, and that is the important part.

[1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/novel-finding-rea...

Re: Ask HN: How to build empathy?

#52
post #49

(disclaimer?) I teach empathy, and maybe this helps: 1 - most people did not get what is called an "emotional education." What are emotions and how they guide our behaviour? What are habits and how they differ from intentional activities? What motivates human behaviour? What are biases and how they actually help us 98% of the time, etc. 2 - most people are exposed to pseudoscience and outright wrong information - jun…

I'd be interested in reading suggestions for criticism of Maslow or "win win". The few criticisms I've found of Maslow seem to be that it's not 100% universal across individuals and cultures. This is true, but I think not much of a criticism of a model that's meant to be a rough guideline to a very complex topic. If Maslow is only 80% valid across all of humanity I think that's a pretty decent model, but if there are…

Happy to do so, here is the data I operate with:

Maslow's hierarchy of needs is supposed to provide a prioritisation of needs - physical needs take priority over self-actualisation. If the model is wrong you would see many inversions. As in people prioritising self-actualisation to shelter - live in worse situation but get a better education. Therefore the pyramid does not provide a model that can reflect reality in an accurate way and we have inversions all over the place - from students going to better universities to people climbing dangerous summits.

There is a much better model - based in neuroscience, meaning that it has physiological proof to back it up. The Grawe consistency theory (neuropsychotherapy) has a much simpler approach:

3 needs we share with the whole living entities: Orientation/Control; Pleasure Maximisation/Pain Minimisation; Attachment; and one specific to humans Self-Enhancement (my work is, among others, focused on what causes this specific need, btw)

The needs are acted out through "behavioural schemas" - either approach or avoidance behaviours.

With this basic model you can empathise much better with anyone - when they do this, do they want to get something or get away from something? Does that give them more or less control, or maybe attachment? Nothing in Maslow's model can deliver this kind of understanding.

Win-Win is related to behavioural change, that is rooted in empathy. How can you change behaviours if you don't understand them? Win-Win (Harvard model) is competing with the FBI model of behavioural change (the stairway). While the former implicitly expects us to be rather similar (playing the role of businessmen) the latter does away with ego and focuses all efforts in understanding the overt and subconscious motives of the other part, and then presents a solution that is connected to that. And it works much better in practice, mainly because is meant to work when our motives can seem incompatible - try a win-win with a hostage-taker.

Anyway, remember that all models are wrong, but some of them are more useful. Part of this journey is to practice models and see what helps you get the results you want.

Re: Ask HN: How to build empathy?

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is good advice though saying "I am sorry to hear that", seems a little shallow. I think I solutionize cause I care or maybe I just like problem solving. Though coming up with an answer instantly belittles their problem.

What you're hitting on is the difference between sympathy and empathy. Both have a role in helping people. "I'm sorry to hear that" = sympathy "It sounds like you're exhausted by that." = empathy Notice the noun in those sentences: first one is you, second one is them. What matters is what we say after those, too. There's a big difference between, "It sounds like you're exhausted that. [Solution proposal]" and "It so…

Also, proposing solutions is distinct from suggesting ways to search for solutions. Confusing those explains most of the sentiment that solutions belittle someone.

Re: Ask HN: How to build empathy?

#54
re: "I rate lowly on empathy scoring tests on the Internet"

I think the key is to ask questions from a caring perspective. Don't disguise advice as a question, but focus on helping the other person get clarity on their situation. It's symptom elicitation and constraint identification. Don't diagnose and don't prescribe, just help them get clarity.

See https://www.skmurphy.com/blog/2015/09/25/asking-questions-fr... and https://www.skmurphy.com/blog/2015/07/05/a-serious-conversat...

Re: Ask HN: How to build empathy?

#56
1. Stop thinking about yourself, and putting yourself at the first place of every thought and need.

2. Practice introspection. Observe what trigger your low empathy behaviour. (Meditation will help you with this.)

3. Consider every person you will talk with as a master that can teach you something new. Curiosity and open-mindness will do the rest.

Re: Ask HN: How to build empathy?

#57
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be interested in reading suggestions for criticism of Maslow or "win win". The few criticisms I've found of Maslow seem to be that it's not 100% universal across individuals and cultures. This is true, but I think not much of a criticism of a model that's meant to be a rough guideline to a very complex topic. If Maslow is only 80% valid across all of humanity I think that's a pretty decent model, but if there are…

Happy to do so, here is the data I operate with: Maslow's hierarchy of needs is supposed to provide a prioritisation of needs - physical needs take priority over self-actualisation. If the model is wrong you would see many inversions. As in people prioritising self-actualisation to shelter - live in worse situation but get a better education. Therefore the pyramid does not provide a model that can reflect reality in…

This is very interesting and helpful, thank you!

Re: Ask HN: How to build empathy?

#58

Here is one tip: when someone tells you something, even it is a problem they are having, they don't want you propose a solution. What they want is to heard. If they really want you to suggest a solution to their problem, they will ask you directly: "Can you suggest what I should do about this?" Example: "My manager really demands too much of me!" Good: "I am sorry to hear that." Bad: "Why don't you arrange a 1 on 1 a…

This is definitely an important thing that more people, especially tech people, should keep in mind. However, this doesn't really apply in all situations, and I actually disagree about the example which you give. When someone shares a problem with you, you may want to ask yourself two questions to evaluate whether you should give advice: 1. Can you suggest any action that the other person wouldn't already have taken…

I agree with your points, but the OP was specifically asking for tip on building empathy and becoming a better listener. Software types like me are problem solvers, and to us, problems exist to be solved. It took me many years (and my late Wife's great help) to understand that not every complaint was a request for a solution.

So I stick by my initial suggestion, until at least the person trying to learn listening skills feels that they are making progress.

Re: Ask HN: How to build empathy?

#59
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I use two complementing strategies: - Developing empathy towards myself first, that is, being able to observe feelings that arise within me and then being able to accept these feelings as they are. I have found this to be very relieving. A technique that helped me was meditation; training the mind like a muscle to be able to observe & recognize feelings. - Turning this outwards to others, the works of Marshall Rosenb…

Big fan of nonviolent communication. It's a great framework for telling folks that you feel wronged by their behavior.

Re: Ask HN: How to build empathy?

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is good advice though saying "I am sorry to hear that", seems a little shallow. I think I solutionize cause I care or maybe I just like problem solving. Though coming up with an answer instantly belittles their problem.

What you're hitting on is the difference between sympathy and empathy. Both have a role in helping people. "I'm sorry to hear that" = sympathy "It sounds like you're exhausted by that." = empathy Notice the noun in those sentences: first one is you, second one is them. What matters is what we say after those, too. There's a big difference between, "It sounds like you're exhausted that. [Solution proposal]" and "It so…

The main difference[1] between sympathy and empathy is that sympathy means actually sharing the emotional experience, whereas empathy merely means understanding someone is having an emotional experience. A sociopath devoid of sympathy could be highly empathetic and they often are, because it aids emotional manipulation.

For example something like "you clearly feel unappreciated, but I don't care so stop telling me about it" is empathetic. This leaves me wondering why exactly there is such an obviously submarined push for empathy in the software industry. Is the idea to get unsympathetic persons to learn enough empathy to convincingly feign sympathy? If so, what outcome is that dishonesty meant to achieve?

[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sympathy-empat...

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